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Old 02-08-2012, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Just because one has not been convicted doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. Problem is, Egan and his ilk do have a political voice, we don't. Question is, why? Why do they deserve privledge?

I'm also not going to waste my time listing the atrocities perpetrated by the Catholic church.
I didn't know you lefties had managed to amend our Constitution to make declarations of criminality all that is needed to make one a criminal. I think our Constitution still says that you must be tried before you are guilty of a crime. Nice try, though yo.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Amen, Frozenyo.

Signed by someone who attended many RCC schools and will never set foot in an RCC institution again. I tithe, but to private, reputable, secular charities. Not to the monstrosity of a church I grew up in. I do think perhaps, 50 years from now, it can be reborn, but it must rise like a Phoenix and truly seek penance first for what was done inside its walls.
Were there any priests who weren't guilty of abuse of children? How many thousand cases do you know of or are you just throwing crap at a buddy.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Which criminals? This is one interview with one individual, who has not been convicted of any crimes.

How about this - I'll support Cardinal Egan getting no political voice, just so long as you don't get one either. Deal?
The crime of covering sexual abuse of minors - pedophilia.
Or do you find it okay?
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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I didn't know you lefties had managed to amend our Constitution to make declarations of criminality all that is needed to make one a criminal. I think our Constitution still says that you must be tried before you are guilty of a crime. Nice try, though yo.
So if a murderer or rapist or arsonist or child molester manages to elude the law...he is not criminal? You really missed the point.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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A Cardinal in Missouri was also arrested for DWI.

St. Louis Cardinals third baseman David Freese arrested on DWI charges - ESPN
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
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roysoldboy, Rectories are not huge, so even the priests not molesting kids saw doors close with kids and molestors alone. There were thousands of documented cases. Its questionable which org abused more, the RCC or NAMBLA. That's a sad statement for an ex RCC member to make, but it is true.

I was with a church group that wanted Bruce Ritter, Covennat House founder, to speak..shortly after we contacted him, the scandal of his actions broke. Like most of my family, I had donated a large amount of money and time to this cause. So I do not appreciate the knee-jerk, right wing shove it under the rug approach that I sense you take.

The scandal was made worse by the Nixonian actions of the bishops.the attempts to conceal, instead of repent. They are Judases.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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roysoldboy, Rectories are not huge, so even the priests not molesting kids saw doors close with kids and molestors alone. There were thousands of documented cases. Its questionable which org abused more, the RCC or NAMBLA. That's a sad statement for an ex RCC member to make, but it is true.

I was with a church group that wanted Bruce Ritter, Covennat House founder, to speak..shortly after we contacted him, the scandal of his actions broke. Like most of my family, I had donated a large amount of money and time to this cause. So I do not appreciate the knee-jerk, right wing shove it under the rug approach that I sense you take.

The scandal was made worse by the Nixonian actions of the bishops.the attempts to conceal, instead of repent. They are Judases.
Every organization of this type has been infiltrated by pedophiles who have seen it as an easy avenue to access children. School teachers, churches, boy scouts, child care providers, youth counselors and so on and so forth.

The damning thing is that when discovered, the leadership for some organizations have behaved differently than others.

I actually have more of a problem with the people that rationally covered-up after these guys than the initial crime.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I agree, Mathguy, and that would be bishops like Egan and Law, who hid known pedophiles by moving them around, w/o warning their new parishes.

Those bishops, IMO, deserved prison terms, and RICO would have provided the means to lock those bars in front of them. Just as Rudy G used RICO to clean up Wall St in the 80s.most notably, boiler room, mob run, over the counter stock scams.

If Finn goes to jail, I'm sure his cellmates will welcome him, once they know he aided child molestors, too. (sar)
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I think the Vatican is having a meeting on how they should deal with that.

Vatican-sponsored meeting on sex abuse begins in Rome - Monsters and Critics
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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I'm not here to defend Egan or the Catholic Church. But you should know that in the 70's, 80's and 90's bishops believed tht pedophile priests could be rehabilitated. And so priests who were accused of molestation were sent to a special psychiatric center (in Pennsylvania, I believe) where they were treated and only restored to ministry when the medical professionals assured that the offenders were cured or rehabilitated. The idea that bishops did not act to protect their flock is nonsense. Was it reasonable for them to rely on psychiatric mumbo jumbo in dealing with these priests? Who knows? Were some bishops grossly derelict? No doubt.

The larger lesson here is that the molestation of boys by priests skyrocketed after Vatican II when the Church tried to make a distinction between homosexual tendencies and homosexual acts in recruiting men to the priesthood. Those who refuse to acknowledge the correlation are as guilty of hiding their heads in the sand as were some bishops who knew of the molestation going on and refused to confront the problem head on.
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