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I am fed up with a Christian fundamentalist god always messing with our State and Federal Government. The fact that the concept of separation of Church and State exists proves that god doesn't want the Republicans sneaking in rules about birth control or homosexuality and turning them into laws. There is such major hypocrisy coming from the "party of less government" that I am astonished. Maintaining the nation's infra-structure and ensuring food and health care for our children is too grievous an oppression by the government, but government mandates on private sexual choices, birth control, abortion, women's rights etc. are perfectly acceptable because that's what god wants. God is horrified by two happily paired off lesbians but indifferent to the suffering of a child. Thank you Republicans everywhere for bringing us this good news.
Wow. You bought the liberal line "hook, line and sinker", as the saying goes.
I commend you. You came out as boldly and openly as those champions of the liberal cause: Reid, Pelosi and the rest of their deceptive bunch too numerous to name here. I can admire someone who has such passion for their beliefs even when I can see the error in an argument based on supposition and perspective vs. fact.
The church actually employs people. Sectataries, book keepers, maintance and house keepers. Then the priests also get paid
So, this is about employees, not the church? And since when has the church engaged in itemizing and selecting treatments that the health insurance provider it uses can or cannot provide for?
Ultimately, this is about an employer versus employees. It has nothing to do with "church". The church chose to be a business, hence ought to be regulated as such.
We do have freedom from religion in this country. Just because someone works for a religious hospital or university does not give that institution the right to deny that employee basic healthcare because of it's religious beliefs.
If these Catholic institutions wish to set themselves apart from nonCatholics monetarily.....I suggest they stop accepting taxpayer/government money from nonCatholic citizens.....otherwise....they are practicing hypocricy at its finest.
Why should MY nonCatholic tax money go to perpetuate Catholic dogma?
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
And let's not forget that the VAST majority of Catholics working in these Catholic institutions would gladly take advantage of this mandate, shall we?
The Catholic hospitals are not telling their employees, or anyone else for that matter, how to live their private lives.
So, this is about employees, not the church? And since when has the church engaged in itemizing and selecting treatments that the health insurance provider it uses can or cannot provide for?
Ultimately, this is about an employer versus employees. It has nothing to do with "church". The church chose to be a business, hence ought to be regulated as such.
No It is about the church being mandated by the feds to purchase something against their religious beliefs. Separation of church and state.
The church is trying to control employees' choice. You'd see that better if you replace Catholics with Muslims, and this issue be about Sharia Law.
Employees of the church can walk down to the pharmacy or pp and obtain whatever they wish. The church is no controlloing that at all.
The federal government does not have the right to tell a church what benifits as insurance the church wishes to offer.
Employees of the church can walk down to the pharmacy or pp and obtain whatever they wish. The church is no controlloing that at all.
The federal government does not have the right to tell a church what benifits as insurance the church wishes to offer.
Benefits are negotiated between the employer and the insurance carrier based on the costs the employer wishes to assume. Government is not a third party at the table, nor should it be.
The church is trying to control employees' choice. You'd see that better if you replace Catholics with Muslims, and this issue be about Sharia Law.
No they're not. They just don't want to pay for it.
There are many many prescriptions that people take every day that are not covered by insurance and they shouldn't be when they are elective or when there are multiple other treatments available to the patient. They also could purchase the pills out of pocket. They are not expensive.
No It is about the church being mandated by the feds to purchase something against their religious beliefs. Separation of church and state.
Provide me an itemized list that the church has had that they didn't want to pay for in the past, and negotiated it with the insurance providers to exclude. Besides that, do you believe that those employees have never used the medical care that the church denounces while using the church sponsored insurance?
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Employees of the church can walk down to the pharmacy or pp and obtain whatever they wish. The church is no controlloing that at all.
Walking down to pharmacy is useless if your authority chooses to outlaw/exclude something on its whim.
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The federal government does not have the right to tell a church what benifits as insurance the church wishes to offer.
Does the church use these benefit sponsorship for tax deductions? If it does... you bet. The church can choose to...
1- Not engage in business regulated by the government, just being "church".
2- Engage in business without trying to have its cake and eat it too (provide insurance, without expecting any returns from the government).
Provide me an itemized list that the church has had that they didn't want to pay for in the past, and negotiated it with the insurance providers to exclude. Besides that, do you believe that those employees have never used the medical care that the church denounces while using the church sponsored insurance?
Walking down to pharmacy is useless if your authority chooses to outlaw/exclude something on its whim.
Does the church use these benefit sponsorship for tax deductions? If it does... you bet. The church can choose to...
1- Not engage in business regulated by the government, just being "church".
2- Engage in business without trying to have its cake and eat it too (provide insurance, without expecting any returns from the government).
The federal government can mandate a church to use insurance That provides an option that violates the churches belief . The church does not stop the employee from going to pp or a pharmacy to get birth control. The church has every right to offer whatever package of benifits that the church wishes offer.
Read the constitution.
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