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Old 02-17-2012, 09:52 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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How much would those cars be if senior management wasn't making millions, gathering in stock options which they'll sell off at retirement, or toting around their "golden parachutes?"
The golden parachute would be gone if the government would stay out of business. No business should be too big to fail. It is time for the corruption in our nation to stop and as long as our politicans are courting those that are robbing everybody, it will continue.

I worked at a job that required a master's degree and never made as much as the union workers starting salary. I am not complaining about what I made. I am doing just fine because I worked hard and saved. When union workers make the higher salaries, it just raises the prices of everything in the area. It is useless to make so much money. I smile every time I pay taxes and realize their greed is costing them more money.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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In my experience, if the majority of employees voted to be represented by a union, it was because company execs were being unfair to its workers. So if the company has needlessly taken away so many employee benefits and cut wages to the point where the majority of employees have decided to fight back and get the shop unionized, why should they want their union weakened by a right-to-work law?
Short answer: freedom. That's a word that has lost cachet today. But it is the very reason this country exists. No one should have the power to force me to associate with anyone as a condition of getting and keeping a job. That's the bottom line.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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How does a right-to-work law benefit workers?

Non-union workers reap the windfalls of union worker struggles without the sacrifice.

In other words, they get a free lunch
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The golden parachute would be gone if the government would stay out of business. No business should be too big to fail. It is time for the corruption in our nation to stop and as long as our politicans are courting those that are robbing everybody, it will continue.

I worked at a job that required a master's degree and never made as much as the union workers starting salary. I am not complaining about what I made. I am doing just fine because I worked hard and saved. When union workers make the higher salaries, it just raises the prices of everything in the area. It is useless to make so much money. I smile every time I pay taxes and realize their greed is costing them more money.

You remind me of a guy I once worked for.

When his company bought out ours, I was managing a private fleet of about 40 trucks when he came over to look at our operation. I provided him everything he asked for and, after looking over the details, he put his hands on my desk and said, "There's no reason for this! There's just no REASON FOR THIS!"

"What?" I asked.

"There's NO REASON for a truck driver to be making $50,000 a year! There's just no REASON FOR IT!" He got highly agitated at the idea of paying truck drivers a decent wage.

So...he set to work dismantling our fleet. It took him about 10 years, but he finally parked all those "overpriced" drivers in favor of the cheaper alternative of hiring low wage, no benefit common carriers to serve our customers.

Shortly thereafter, the business went bankrupt and sold itself off.

The point is that he had good drivers to start with, drivers who knew the business and knew the customers, drivers who would do anything it took to benefit the company and service the customer. They were well paid for that dedication and the company prospered because of it. When he eliminated them and put it all into the hands of people who didn't know the business, could care less about serving the customers and who would work for virtually nothing, he drove off our biggest customers who had come to rely on the service they got from those "overpaid" drivers.

In the end, you get what you pay for. If you want cheap labor, you can get it, but there's a trade off for that.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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You remind me of a guy I once worked for.

When his company bought out ours, I was managing a private fleet of about 40 trucks when he came over to look at our operation. I provided him everything he asked for and, after looking over the details, he put his hands on my desk and said, "There's no reason for this! There's just no REASON FOR THIS!"

"What?" I asked.

"There's NO REASON for a truck driver to be making $50,000 a year! There's just no REASON FOR IT!" He got highly agitated at the idea of paying truck drivers a decent wage.

So...he set to work dismantling our fleet. It took him about 10 years, but he finally parked all those "overpriced" drivers in favor of the cheaper alternative of hiring low wage, no benefit common carriers to serve our customers.

Shortly thereafter, the business went bankrupt and sold itself off.

The point is that he had good drivers to start with, drivers who knew the business and knew the customers, drivers who would do anything it took to benefit the company and service the customer. They were well paid for that dedication and the company prospered because of it. When he eliminated them and put it all into the hands of people who didn't know the business, could care less about serving the customers and who would work for virtually nothing, he drove off our biggest customers who had come to rely on the service they got from those "overpaid" drivers.

In the end, you get what you pay for. If you want cheap labor, you can get it, but there's a trade off for that.

It sound like his own greed did him in. Karma's a b*** ain't it.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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Depends on your experience.

In mine, clever union bosses convinced employees that a union would benefit them when in fact the only real beneficiaries were the union bosses.

The union increased their demands to the point where the company packed up and moved south. Nice going - now no one had jobs.
That's interesting. How did these union bosses approach employees? I've only known cases of employees banding together and contacting the union.

And in my experiences with union demands on an employer, the demands were always fair and nothing that would hurt a company's success. Unionized employees want fairness, not to run the company out of business, so the union works to reach an agreement between the workers and the execs. I've never personally witnessed union bosses who urged employees to make greater demands. If anything, they were more cautious than the union stewards as to what was put on the bargaining table.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How much would those cars be if senior management wasn't making millions, gathering in stock options which they'll sell off at retirement, or toting around their "golden parachutes?"
Slowly I am starting to recognize the fact that many of you people think that unions will stop the things you whine about here. How do you think that a union can do that?
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Right to work, for less. It only benefits the fat cats by slashing wages and benefits, lower safety standards, and little to no say to the worker to fight back against the company if needed
Now I know. You are a union leader. You know, the people who really do benefit from union dues.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: around racist white people
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It doesn't. It benefits corporations, just like everything else the Republican's do.
Yep, compare Florida wages to other large states, look at the layout of jobs.. It doesn't do anything for the workers.
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Old 02-17-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Right to work for less laws are put in place exclusively to benefit the bosses and screw the workers. They are intended to weaken unions and make it impossible for them to work on behalf of workers and improve their wages, hours, and working conditions.

They do help someone, but it is never the workers.
What union are you a boss in? You sure sound like one of those people.
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