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You keep saying this and have yet to prove it in any fashion.
Do you honestly believe that doctors perform any medical procedure without fully informing patients and without performing all indicated tests?
Really?
I think the point is that before you get that tooth pulled, that cast put on your leg, tumor removed...you're shown WHY you need a tooth pulled, that cast put on your leg, tumor removed. Via x-ray, MRI, etc.
The issue is that women going for abortions somehow, shouldn't see what they are aborting...they shouldn't be FULLY INFORMED.
Now why is that? Might make them change their minds?
The problem is...who wants to see a little beating heart and some arms/legs/fingers and humanize more than a broken bone?
I'm all for abortions...so don't think otherwise.
Fully informed choices are much better made when one is truly FULLY informed.
That's pretty arrogant of you. I've never (fill in the blank) so you won't either. Are you educated? Then you know BC fails. It's a fact.
Arrogant? Oh, please. Knock it off. It's not that hard to NOT get pregnant. Are you kidding?
What's the most used excuse for unwanted pregnancies? Condom failed...yeah, because you never used one. And given the "failure rate" of condoms...condoms should be pulled from the shelves. Everywhere.
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Not having sex is cheaper. When did that ever happen in the history of humanity though? Go ahead, I'll wait.
It's not? How is it not? Go ahead, I'll wait.
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You don't know until you're pregnant, correct, and some people don't ever want to find out. That's ok.
Then either buy yourself some form of birth control, actually USE it, and be done with yourself. No applause for anyone for being sexually responsible.
Did you have a point?
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The POINT is, and listed up because it's only been stated 100000000000 times, insurance products should cover what we need them to (as opposed to what some morally want them to) It's the entire point of their existence.
There is no REAL moral issue across the board in 2012 against birth control. Buy your own. Why is that so hard?
What is an "insurance product"?
You have a lot to learn.
Let me start you on your way...doc says something is medically necessary for you? Insurance company denies...contact your state department of banking and insurance.
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Saving money over what ? The insurance company isn't saving or spending any extra money. They are in it for a profit and any cost is passed on to consumers, probably several times over since they need that profit.
Remember, costs were never reigned in. Only accessibility was addressed.
Err, basic Business Economics. If costs are less, there is less to pass on to customers, well, except in the case of Oil Companies.
I think the point is that before you get that tooth pulled, that cast put on your leg, tumor removed...you're shown WHY you need a tooth pulled, that cast put on your leg, tumor removed. Via x-ray, MRI, etc.
The issue is that women going for abortions somehow, shouldn't see what they are aborting...they shouldn't be FULLY INFORMED.
Now why is that? Might make them change their minds?
The problem is...who wants to see a little beating heart and some arms/legs/fingers and humanize more than a broken bone?
I'm all for abortions...so don't think otherwise.
Fully informed choices are much better made when one is truly FULLY informed.
Why would anyone protest against it?
(re bolded) BS, they are fully informed. They won't be looking for an abortion if they're not sure that they're pregnant.
Do you really think that women are that stupid?
The issue is not about making birth control illegal. Once again, that is the liberal distortion of the facts. The issue is adding on to the cost of insurance by forcing those companies to pay for birth control.
The simple fact of the matter is this...birth control is a choice...just as abortion is a choice. There are many forms of birth control...and women and men have personal choices to make. Why should those choices raise the cost of insurance for EVERYONE?
This handout mentality has to stop. There is something called personal responsibility that needs to make a comeback, because it is WOEFULLY missing in the attitudes of far too many people.
Remember one thing...insurance companies never LOSE money...they increase costs to those of us who will soon be FORCED to pay their premiums. So the more you add on, the more we ALL pay.
Healthcare is a HUGE issue in this country. We should be looking at ways to REDUCE costs...not add them. Again...personal responsibility....get used to it...because someday, the whole system will come crashing down....just as we have been seeing in Greece. And then a whole lot of you Nanny State supporters will be crying your eyes out and taking to the streets to protest. It's coming....
Tall_Rep, well then, I don't have kids, so I don't want children to be treated by health insurance companies. They cost a lot of money and single supplements pay for them.
Why, when almost 100% of women (over 50% of the population) uses/has used birth control and had it covered are they trying to say that it's no longer a requirement.
They cover viagara and cialis and other men's enjoyment drugs.
Shall we stop diabetes medicine because weight can bring it on.
Or sickle cell medications because the black population of the US is only 12.2%?
Over 50% of the population uses birth control for some reason or another at some time or another.
The prerequisite to an abortion is a pregancy test. Not an ultrasound. Hell, you can carry a child for nine months and deliver it and exercise your right to opt out of ever having an ultrasound. My SIL, a nurse, did because she thought they were dangerous.
The issue is not about making birth control illegal. Once again, that is the liberal distortion of the facts. The issue is adding on to the cost of insurance by forcing those companies to pay for birth control.
The simple fact of the matter is this...birth control is a choice...just as abortion is a choice. There are many forms of birth control...and women and men have personal choices to make. Why should those choices raise the cost of insurance for EVERYONE?
This handout mentality has to stop. There is something called personal responsibility that needs to make a comeback, because it is WOEFULLY missing in the attitudes of far too many people.
Remember one thing...insurance companies never LOSE money...they increase costs to those of us who will soon be FORCED to pay their premiums. So the more you add on, the more we ALL pay.
Healthcare is a HUGE issue in this country. We should be looking at ways to REDUCE costs...not add them. Again...personal responsibility....get used to it...because someday, the whole system will come crashing down....just as we have been seeing in Greece. And then a whole lot of you Nanny State supporters will be crying your eyes out and taking to the streets to protest. It's coming....
well said.
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Tall_Rep, well then, I don't have kids, so I don't want children to be treated by health insurance companies. They cost a lot of money and single supplements pay for them.
Why, when almost 100% of women (over 50% of the population) uses/has used birth control and had it covered are they trying to say that it's no longer a requirement.
companies with religious objections should not be forced to pay for birth control in any form. and since birth control is cheap enough, if all you are using the pill for is birth control, pay for it yourself. you can get them at walmart as i understand for $9 a month. sound pretty cheap to me.
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They cover viagara and cialis and other men's enjoyment drugs.
and in my opinion, if the only reason men buy viagra and other ED meds is to get a woody, then they should pay for it themselves, even though these meds are much more expensive than birth control pills(viagra is like $6 per pill!).
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Shall we stop diabetes medicine because weight can bring it on.
Or sickle cell medications because the black population of the US is only 12.2%?
now you are being silly. some diabetes meds are cheap, metformin for instance is $3 per month at walmart. however glipizid is much more expensive as is insulin. the same thing applies to sickle cell meds as well as cholesterol meds(mine run $800 a month for one med.)
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Over 50% of the population uses birth control for some reason or another at some time or another.
true, but again birth control pills are cheap to buy.
When it comes to "birth control", the republican idea bodes well with the idea maintained by many Catholic priests...
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