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Nope, conservatives support the constitution. The state has no right to tell a religious organization what it's insurance must cover.
I absolutely agree with that, and that's why religious organizations--churches--are excluded from that requirement.
The problem comes in when an organization controlled by a church but that IS NOT religious in function--like a hospital or university--wants the same exemption. The function of a hospital or university is to provide a non church related service, like medical care or higher education. They receive federal funds and grants for the provision of some of their services, for research, etc. There is no requirement that employees or those receiving services must be a member of the religious group, and the "religion" itself is limited to the board of directors--members of that group run the board through its completely separate incorporation--but it is not legally part of the church itself.
Catholic hospitals and universities don't pass the test of being a "religious group" and they should not get an exemption. It then becomes a situation of whose rights are the most important--the employers or the employees. In those situations, the courts have consistently ruled that the rights of employees--of the individual--take presidence. The employees are also paying for all or part of the plan through their employee contribution. Why should my employer make "moral" decisions on my health care coverage when I'm paying for it too? It makes zero sense.
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Mmm so I suppose you don't want any government? I think that is pretty close to the views of that nut job Ron Paul.
Actually I was a bit of a RP supporter until his mouth overloaded his ass a few days ago.
I don't know where you got the idea that I wanted no Gov't at all...you wouldn't make a very good mind reader(even tho mine is blank a lot,it still lets a few signals out )
I absolutely agree with that, and that's why religious organizations--churches--are excluded from that requirement.
The problem comes in when an organization controlled by a church but that IS NOT religious in function--like a hospital or university--want the same exemption. The function of a hospital or university is to provide a non church related service, like medical care or higher education. They receive federal funds and grants for the provision of some of their services, for research, etc. There is no requirement that employees or those receiving services must be a member of the religious group, and the "religion" itself is limited to the board of directors--members of that group run the board through it's completely separate incorporation--but it is not legally part of the church itself.
Catholic hospitals and universities don't pass the test of being a "religious group" and they should not get an exemption. It then becomes a situation of whose rights are the most important--the employers or the employees. In those situations, the courts have consistently ruled that the rights of employees--of the individual--take presidence. The employees are also paying for all or part of the plan through their employee contribution. Why should my employer make "moral" decisions on my health care coverage when I'm paying for it too? It makes zero sense.
They are Catholic institutions, non profits run by religious groups, the government has absolutely no right to demand they violate their beliefs.
Actually I was a bit of a RP supporter until his mouth overloaded his ass a few days ago.
I don't know where you got the idea that I wanted no Gov't at all...you wouldn't make a very good mind reader(even tho mine is blank a lot,it still lets a few signals out )
It is a fair assumption since you scream big government at any idea you don't agree with.
They are Catholic institutions, non profits run by religious groups, the government has absolutely no right to demand they violate their beliefs.
If they don't serve a religious function, and they have a completely different incorporation and corporate structure, they are not a religious group. If the catholic church owns a car wash, is it a religious group too?
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It is a fair assumption since you scream big government at any idea you don't agree with.
Really??? Unlike YOU,I realized a LONG time ago that I cannot change anything the Gov't does...I have my views and voice them and they carry the same weight as yours do with the Gov't....zero.....I'm smart enough to know it,are you?
That may be the outcome. Catholic institutions may shutter their doors. I wish the country well if that happens
Oh for heavens sake--do you get dramatic much? They're having a hissy fit right now because they have to play by the rules just like everyone else. They'll get over it.
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