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Old 03-22-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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I was hoping the OP meant "westward slide" instead of "backward"........as in slide westward after breaking off at the San Andreas Fault Line and sliding out to sea never to be found again.
Direct testimony from a "REAL" American.

Class envy. Wealth envy. Accomplishment envy. They've got lots in common with terrorists using an airplane as a weapon of mass destruction to feel self important for a day.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:58 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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Might be a nice place to visit, but I would never want to live there. Too much taxes and left-wing destructionism.

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The state has issues for sure as many do but it is not nearly as dire as people make it out to be. There are many people that still want to live in Cali.
If that were the case, then its residents would be best served by voting conservative in future elections. That's the only way Cali will survive.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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If you got a few bucks California is a beautiful state.
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Old 03-22-2012, 07:56 PM
 
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What the article doesn't tell you is that the Right-wing conservative policies are the main culprit of this fiscal mess.

Start with the property tax. It's capped at 1% at the time you purchased your home and it can increase no more than 2% every year. Do the math. There are lots of people paying 1/4 of 1% property tax because they bought the house a long time ago, their house values shot way up and their taxes don't even keep up with inflation.

Furthermore, if the real estate market tanked, you can have your house re-assessed to a lower property value, therefore lowering your property tax. But if the market heats up, the government doesn't get to re-assess your home, you get to keep your super low tax rate. How sweet is that?

And even furthermore, it requires a super 2/3 majority vote to raise any taxes or fees.

So what we have here is a government starved of money that would have came from property taxes (a large chunk of the pie in all other 49 states), so they have to make it up somewhere but that 2/3 majority vote thing often gets in the way. This is where the Republicans, despite having a super minority, often dictates the fiscal policy because this 2/3 majority rule allows the minority to wield a lot of power. It's also why every year there's a battle and delay of the budget.

This "Don't raise my taxes, don't raise my fees" policy is directly in line with the conservative principle, even though back in 1978 when the law came into effect, conservatism was not as visible as it is today.

If you impose this policy on any state, that state will soon have fiscal problems much like CA.

And it's Exhibit A of what the Republicans' "Starve the Government" tactic will do to your city. CA has been starved for almost fifty years, what you're seeing is the result.

But let's not confuse the CA government with Californians. People living in CA by and large is doing quite well, they're fine. It's the government that has a problem but despite that, I expect CA to recover and continues to outperform the nation in the near future.

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Property taxes beyond what covers police and fire protection and a few county services are dead wrong.

Home ownership should be real. The government confiscating your home because you didn't pay the government a rising amount year after year is not real home ownership.

California is actually smart because it's keeping a lot of homeowners choosing to stay there because they pay fewer taxes on a home they've own for a long time than what they'll face if they flee the state.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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We refer to it as the golden handcuffs here - you are locked to your home because if you move your property taxes can double for even a lateral move.
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Old 03-22-2012, 09:43 PM
 
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Might be a nice place to visit, but I would never want to live there. Too much taxes and left-wing destructionism.
Funny you say it that way. Do you know anything about the think tank plan you're referencing? Koch's "Creative destruction" John Birch society plan? Take a good look around America at their handiwork.

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If that were the case, then its residents would be best served by voting conservative in future elections. That's the only way Cali will survive.
Texas leads the way in poverty & abuse. The rest of us lead elsewhere. Keep your repugnant 'lifestyle choice' to yourself.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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We refer to it as the golden handcuffs here - you are locked to your home because if you move your property taxes can double for even a lateral move.
If you can figure a better way to deal with house flippers and speculators across the globe destroying your community you're welcome to invent it. I speak as born and bred Long Islander prior to republicans selling us to the highest bidder developers and destroying everything I held dear. There's a special place in hell for Carlton Sheets, but... R's want to push the envelope and turn red states blue/ indie by way of immigration- no problemo- we can do that too!
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:17 PM
 
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Who would you recommend that californians elect? Fanatical right wing gay baiting immigrant bashing conservatives? It's a serious question.
That is your decision. If you want to vote in iresponsible managers then that is your problem. California doesn't seem to under stand is illegal is illegal whether drugs or people living in country who got here by breaking the law. Once you start changing the law by ignorig it then you on the road to no where but down.
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Some Californians have been whining about Prop. 13 since it was passed in 1978, including Governor Moonbeam.

He and the rest of his free-spending Democrat buddies predicted that its passage would destroy the state, which turned out to be a total crock.

It's his party spending addiction, as well as its pro-environmentalist and anti-business policies which have destroyed the state's ability to pay its bills, and have led to nonstop deficits year after year, with no end in sight.

Our public schools used to be among the very best in the nation, but no longer.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:07 PM
 
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We refer to it as the golden handcuffs here - you are locked to your home because if you move your property taxes can double for even a lateral move.
And where this protection for property owners doesn't exist, your taxes will double -- for the same house that you've always had.

It's the ridiculous and uncontrolled spending that's the problem. There are more houses than ever before so there are more taxes being paid.
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