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There is no evidence that anyone in Obama's family ever worked for the CIA... but even then that was a pretty pathetic red herring.
Plenty of evidence and I just gave you a sample ... so the very statement "NO evidence" is preposterous. It is documented that Obama was employed by BIC, and it's also known that BIC was a CIA front operation. But there are many other links besides that one.
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Here is the question you are running away from:
Explain to us why a young mother with an infant returning to Hawaii from Kenya would travel through Mexico by ground?
You want to try again?
Well, let's first acknowledge that the very question you pose is a direct admission that you now acknowledge that you were wrong about the relevance of INS record keeping relative to inbound or outbound travel to and from Kenya. That indeed such travel would be relatively easy to accomplish under the INS radar .... but we should all know this as a matter of course, given the ten's of Millions of illegals residing in the US as we speak ... likely not accounted for by the INS or ICE. But, loath as you are to admit being wrong .. you divert the issue to WHY WOULD SHE, instead of "She Couldn't Have".
Now, to answer your question ... and set aside the intelligence element ... it was quite common in the past for people to want to have their children born US citizens (though the popularity of that is waning these days). Hypothetically, we could have an expectant mother soaking up the sunshine on the beach in Hawaii 8 months pregnant. For some dire family emergency, she is compelled to travel back to her home country ... with foresight, knowing that if she traveled from Hawaii to San Diego ... hopped over the border to Mexico, and then flew from there to her home country .. there would be no record of leaving the US. So, if her trip was delayed, and she gave birth outside the US ... it would be a simple matter of reversing her trip, and returning to Hawaii, with no record of having left the country or her child born on foreign soil. Then, the child would be considered US born. This is one very simple, and straightforward example.
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude
The evidence is that Obama's grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was a bank employee. And in 1961 when he was born, Obama's mother was 17... not exactly an age known for covert CIA operatives.
I love it when Birther theories cross the line from being simply false to being aggressively insane... as yours just did here.
So again, answer the question or admit that you've got nothing.
Oh you silly, silly person. Do you think CIA "agents" all wear raincoats and fedoras, stand in silence in corners pretending to read newspapers, and are middle aged white men? Turn the TV off, and sop reading those spy novels.
Just like Bill Clinton .. born to a welfare mom ... good fortune finds him traveling and landing a Rhodes Scholarship at Oxford, oh my. Then on to become the President of the United States? You'll believe ANYTHING .. won't you? Well, you seem to have an aversion to the truth, but just about any cockamamie story seems to go over well with you.
Obama, aka Barry Soetero is a manufactured man. Groomed to be a quasi Manchurian candidate to serve the interests of his creators. He's got so many skeletons in his closet, he dare not make a misstep, which is how puppet masters like their puppets to be .. easily controllable. I know that sounds all too cloak and dagger for you to get your head around, but as a self proclaimed "HistorianDude" you have to at least be aware of the geneology done on all US Presidents showing bloodline relations between each other and the Royal family in England/Germany. Of course ... that too is just one gigantic coincidence in your mind too, isn't it? EVERYTHING is a coincidence ... NOTHING is ever planned. That's your mentality and it is so far off the path of reality, I'm sure nothing I say could possibly make sense to you.
It's just entertaining to watch you dance. I have no delusions of ever getting through to you ... that point is well established.
There is no evidence that anyone in Obama's family ever worked for the CIA... but even then that was a pretty pathetic red herring.
Here is the question you are running away from:
Explain to us why a young mother with an infant returning to Hawaii from Kenya would travel through Mexico by ground?
You want to try again?
The evidence is that Obama's grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was a bank employee. And in 1961 when he was born, Obama's mother was 17... not exactly an age known for covert CIA operatives.
I love it when Birther theories cross the line from being simply false to being aggressively insane... as yours just did here.
So again, answer the question or admit that you've got nothing.
Yeah and O'bama earned his way into Harvard, and worked his way through his studies at McDonald's
Scrubbed, Groomed, Handled and Strung. This Puppet blinds another one.
The Major has sound, Legal Authority to use handcuffs on BO and a host of his enablers.
Sigh, I am sure that he knows this but dreads throwing the country into the horrible chaos of the Constitutional Crisis that it will present. However, won't be the Major and his peers' fault, but the subversives will be to blame, of course.
Just like Bill Clinton .. born to a welfare mom ... good fortune finds him traveling and landing a Rhodes Scholarship at Oxford, oh my. Then on to become the President of the United States? You'll believe ANYTHING .. won't you? Well, you seem to have an aversion to the truth, but just about any cockamamie story seems to go over well with you.
You seem to have an aversion to the American Dream.
Plenty of evidence and I just gave you a sample ... so the very statement "NO evidence" is preposterous.
You gave me the baseless rantings, wild speculation, and absurd hand waving of Wayne Madsen. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing else.
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It is documented that Obama was employed by BIC, and it's also known that BIC was a CIA front operation.
Close, but as usual no cigar. BIC was used on occasion as a CIA front company, true. So has almost every other US multinational at one time or another. That provides exactly no evidence that Obama had anything to do with any CIA operation... especially given the entry level job he held there which would have been an absurd, pointless and impotent position for any CIA operative.
To connect the dots, Guy, you must first actually have dots.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Well, let's first acknowledge that the very question you pose is a direct admission that you now acknowledge that you were wrong about the relevance of INS record keeping relative to inbound or outbound travel to and from Kenya.
That would be wrong, so no I will not do that. It is a red herring that has the sole purpose of giving you an opportunity to run for cover from the absurdity of your particular "theory of history." It is the standard tactic of fringe conspiracy theories to pile on layers of complexity in the hope that it is not realized that the improbable has become the impossible.
Again... just answer the question. Offer us the full glory of your irrational paranoia.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Now, to answer your question ... and set aside the intelligence element ... it was quite common in the past for people to want to have their children born US citizens (though the popularity of that is waning these days).
Unless the plan actually was for infant Obama to be President of the United States, (a conspiracy theory so idiotic that few Birthers are willing to defend it) being born a citizen affords no advantages to becoming one by naturalization. If Ann Obama wanted her son to be a citizen and he was not already one from birth it would have been a trivial exercise under US law to have him naturalized. Instead you are proposing that she deliberately rerouted the trip back from Kenya to sneak him in over the border of Mexico... a rather pointless (not to mention expensive) diversion for a 17 year old girl. She then managed to fraudulently establish local birth announcements, and get into the Hawaiian records a fake hospital birth certificate signed by a well known local obstetrician and Department of Health registrar.
All this complexity, deception and fraud instead of just simply and easily applying for citizenship for her son which would have been essentially automatically granted.
This is one of the well known "Ten Characteristics of Nutjob Conspiracy Theorists." # Four, actually:
4. Abhorrence of simplicity (Rube Goldberg’s Razor) .
Nut-jobs never settle for a simple solution to a problem when a hopelessly complex and idiotic alternative can be proposed. “Occams Razor” is anathema to nut-jobs.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Hypothetically, we could have an expectant mother soaking up the sunshine on the beach in Hawaii 8 months pregnant. For some dire family emergency, she is compelled to travel back to her home country ... with foresight, knowing that if she traveled from Hawaii to San Diego ... hopped over the border to Mexico, and then flew from there to her home country .. there would be no record of leaving the US.
You seem very confused. Were you unaware that Obama's mother was a US citizen, born in Kansas to two US citizens with roots going back to the Revolutionary War? That she had no family at all in Kenya capable of experiencing a "dire emergency?"
The United States was her home country. So your "hypothetical" scenario failed in its second sentence.
Want to try again? This time with a scenario that is less clueless and insane?.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Oh you silly, silly person. Do you think CIA "agents" all wear raincoats and fedoras, stand in silence in corners pretending to read newspapers, and are middle aged white men? Turn the TV off, and sop reading those spy novels.
No I don't. And that has exactly what to do with the fact that there is no evidence that anyone in Obama's family has ever worked for the CIA?
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Just like Bill Clinton .. born to a welfare mom ... good fortune finds him traveling and landing a Rhodes Scholarship at Oxford, oh my. Then on to become the President of the United States? You'll believe ANYTHING .. won't you? Well, you seem to have an aversion to the truth, but just about any cockamamie story seems to go over well with you.
That's a pretty standard story, actually. All Presidents "rise from obscurity." All begin as unknown kids somewhere. But usually their rise has little to do with good fortune and more to do with ambition, effort and the fact that among the many things Presidents are not are "average kids." Good fortune doesn't get you a Rhodes Scholarship, or a Harvard Law degree.
What accounts for the weird suspicions you have of people who have accomplished so much with their lives other than the deep resentment born of your own profound mediocrity?
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Obama, aka Barry Soetero is a manufactured man. Groomed to be a quasi Manchurian candidate to serve the interests of his creators. He's got so many skeletons in his closet, he dare not make a misstep, which is how puppet masters like their puppets to be .. easily controllable. I know that sounds all too cloak and dagger for you to get your head around, but as a self proclaimed "HistorianDude" you have to at least be aware of the geneology done on all US Presidents showing bloodline relations between each other and the Royal family in England/Germany.
And here you go again, crossing the line from merely wrong to aggressively insane. I am aware that simply because genealogical records are self selecting, it is next to impossible for anyone to establish a genealogical record extending more than four centuries without connecting into European Royalty. And once you have connected to one European Royal line, you have connected to them all.
This is true for Presidents, plumbers and pet sitters alike.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Of course ... that too is just one gigantic coincidence in your mind too, isn't it?
Not at all. It is the necessary result of the basic geometry of genealogy. It is mathematically unavoidable and so requires no coincidence.
But what we find demonstrated here is another of the strange fixations of the conspiracist mind. What is a law of nature becomes to you the nefarious actions of shadowy actors plotting the pathways of history.
And of course, you are worse than most because you are an equal opportunity conspiracy theorist. You never met one you didn't like.
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I'm sure nothing I say could possibly make sense to you.
Well that's true, but only because we have a long history where you have repeatedly demonstrated that nothing you say deserves to be trusted. I still hold out hope for what you are eventually able to show, though.
Even though to this point that has proved a disappointment as well.
Major General Vallely: CIA Agents Say Obama Birth Certificate Fraudulent - 6/13/11
And yet not a single one of them has ever gone public.
Yawn.
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