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Old 03-27-2012, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by mistyriverranch View Post
Again with begging the question.
I am not "begging the question" - I am asking you if you think it is morally OK to kill babies. Why are you avoiding answering the question?

 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:27 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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OK - since it is currently legal to kill babies - I will rephrase the question.

Do you think that it is OK to kill babies?(Straight homicide - not the qualified "murder".)
Once a baby is living and breathing outside of the womb, no... until then I don't really consider it a "baby," at least not in terms of what constitutes killing/murder. That doesn't mean I would personally choose abortion (I would never), but I support & trust women to make those choices for themselves.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Once a baby is living and breathing outside of the womb, no... until then I don't really consider it a "baby," at least not in terms of what constitutes killing/murder. That doesn't mean I would personally choose abortion (I would never), but I support & trust women to make those choices for themselves.
Thank you for your straightforward and honest answer.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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No, I do not think it is moral to kill babies (as defined by Gizmo's post)
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:31 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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What?? The fetus would have to be at LEAST 4-5 months developed to survive, in which case most states wouldn't even allow abortion... so that would be more of a stillbirth or "spontaneous abortion" (not by choice) situation, if it's even possible. Do you have a credible link regarding this claim?



A woman can get an abortion for any reason throughout the third trimester if giving birth or continuing the pregnancy could be considered dangerous to her health (see Dr. Tiller).

"Women that have early terminations in weeks six, seven and eight, many times the pregnancy is so small that doctors miss removing the baby," Alvarez said. "The danger is that the failed attempt can damage the baby. That is why these patients who get early terminations need follow-ups."

Another scan a week later confirmed the baby also had [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]kidney [COLOR=blue !important]problems[/color][/color][/color], but doctors told the couple the baby was likely to survive, so they decided he deserved another chance at life.


Read more: Baby Miraculously Survives Abortion, Expected to Live 'Normal' Life | Fox News

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Old 03-27-2012, 11:31 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I am not "begging the question" - I am asking you if you think it is morally OK to kill babies. Why are you avoiding answering the question?
No... you're actually asking us what constitutes murder, when life begins, and a whole host of other difficult philosophical & scientific questions. Nobody thinks killing a BABY is okay, but clearly we all have different ideas of when it qualifies as such. I trust the government considered these questions while making the laws, and therefore support their eventual conclusions - deeming abortion legal up to a certain month (first trimester?).
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Our conservative friends are very fond of everyone paying their own way. How do you suggest the fetus pay for said insurance. Government handouts?

I'm sure they'll be happy to catch up thier premiums when they reach working age.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Lakeside
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I'm sure they'll be happy to catch up thier premiums when they reach working age.
so you're mandating coverage without choice. Glad to see you probably support Obamacare.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:34 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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A woman can get an abortion for any reason throughout the third trimester if giving birth or continuing the pregnancy could be considered dangerous to her health (see Dr. Tiller).
So as I said, it would be a "not by choice" kind of situation - right?? No doctor or state will allow elective abortions that late, thus your argument really isn't on topic here. If the ONLY choice is to abort or let the mother die, I don't think even the hardcore anti-abortionists would have a major issue with that... and in these cases, I imagine the mother was actually happy the baby survived. Totally not related to a woman choosing early/legal abortion, and hoping the outcome is as advertised.
 
Old 03-27-2012, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Liberals giving rights.... are you trying to cause a system meltdown?
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