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Your sister works for what she has, including her healthcare. Maybe she would just like for other people to do the same. Some people in this country are tired of working their butts off to pay for Freddie Freeloader and his ten kids. That may sound harsh, but we have way too many people in this country who don't want to do anything but ride the system. If someone is unable to work and help themselves, legitimately ...that is one thing, but there is too much entitlement mindset.
Well, you managed to hit all the talking points. But you fail to address the reason that healthcare reform is necessary in the first place--all the millions of people like me who are uninsured because we have been priced out of the market. I work full time, and have for 30 plus years. I've never taken a handout from the government for anything, but here I am, for the first time in my life uninsured. If you've never been in this situation, consider yourself blessed. It's a scary place to be, knowing that one illness or accident could wipe me out financially. I work just as hard as the teacher; would you tell me that I have an entitlement mindset because I would like to have insurance too? What should we hardworking Americans caught in this situation do, Dixie?
Or maybe you agree with John McCain, who, when asked at a debate in 2008 if healthcare was a right or a privilege, stated unequivocally that healthcare was a privilege. Do you believe that only the wealthy deserve healthcare?
Your sister works for what she has, including her healthcare. Maybe she would just like for other people to do the same. Some people in this country are tired of working their butts off to pay for Freddie Freeloader and his ten kids. That may sound harsh, but we have way too many people in this country who don't want to do anything but ride the system. If someone is unable to work and help themselves, legitimately ...that is one thing, but there is too much entitlement mindset.
That freeloader line is played out, do you have any statistics to back it up.
Most people I know do what ever they can to have health insurance, everybody is just a pink slip or an accident away from losing their job and benefits such as healthcare.
Many companies do not hire for full time so to avoid benefits, besides I have seen my healthcare go from no co-pays or deductables to ever increasing deductables over the years, companies are always trying to cost shift. Besides if companies did not have to supply health insurance they could afford to offer higher salaries, charge less for their products to put us back on a competitive playing field with companies across the globe which would increase the demand for workers here that will help the economy and create a larger tax base.
Who says "all Americans need to have quality health care" provided for them. So all Americans should have housing provided? A car to get to work? Food? Internet? No. All Americans need to provide for themselves. If they are incapable and are poor they can get medicaid. When they are seniors they can get medicare. We have the greatest health care in the world. But it costs money for insurance to pay for it. If we want to make it less expensive, make it more of a free market system. Allow purchasing across state lines. Have tort reform to stop defensive medicine. Make the recipients responsible for the costs instead of some third party payer.
Food is more fundamental to life itself than health care...
So when does the push for a single-payer food system kick into gear? Just look at all the waste and needless expense that comes from having mutliple retail stores in every city. Not to mention the billions of dollars annually that goes to profit-mongers. We could feed the hungry off the savings from having a National Food System, run by the government. As a side benefit, the centralized system would be able to stock nutritious food that is good for us, not all the bad things we choose to purchase when left to our own devices. In addition, the NFS would be able to negotiate prices down with suppliers, since it would be a massive monopoly buyer.
Of course, private grocers would need to be outlawed, and all citizens would face a mandate to get all their food from the National Food Service. This would be necessary in order for the cost savings to materialize that will feed the hungry.
Just as the Affordable Care Act outlaws simply paying cash for routine, recurring, predictable health expenses, the Affordable Food Act would need to outlaw private gardening.
All reasonable people will be in favor of all this, as soon as they reallize one simple truth: In order to be set free, we must first be enslaved.
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Sounds like my sister-in-law, she has health insurance and her two main reasons for not wanting national one payer health insurance is because she is fearful the quality of her medical care might go down which is unfounded but that is what those that have an invested interest in healthcare for profit are spreading.
She also uses that I am not responsible to pay for everyone else's needs.
Well she is a freakin TEACHER! where does she think the school gets the money to pay for her healthcare! from us through our school taxes along with paying for her vacation time and all those extra days teachers get off for.
How would she like it if when her union contract expires we drop medical coverage for the new contract.
So it is a combination of fear, selfishness and not caring about your fellow human being.
The quality of healthcare is going down; therefore your sister's concerns are not unfounded (see NHS in Britain).
Forcing an individual to carrying another person, or a group of people, with the full force of the federal government behind the threat (see IRS) in such a manner they are dependant upon the same government who does the threatening for their survival is the ultimate in selfishness and not caring about your fellow human being.
The quality of healthcare is going down; therefore your sister's concerns are not unfounded (see NHS in Britain).
Forcing an individual to carrying another person, or a group of people, with the full force of the federal government behind the threat (see IRS) in such a manner they are dependant upon the same government who does the threatening for their survival is the ultimate in selfishness and not caring about your fellow human being.
Denial of individual liberty is selfishness.
In the broader scheme of fact, it is Communist Socialism!!
Well, you managed to hit all the talking points. But you fail to address the reason that healthcare reform is necessary in the first place--all the millions of people like me who are uninsured because we have been priced out of the market. I work full time, and have for 30 plus years. I've never taken a handout from the government for anything, but here I am, for the first time in my life uninsured. If you've never been in this situation, consider yourself blessed. It's a scary place to be, knowing that one illness or accident could wipe me out financially. I work just as hard as the teacher; would you tell me that I have an entitlement mindset because I would like to have insurance too? What should we hardworking Americans caught in this situation do, Dixie?
Or maybe you agree with John McCain, who, when asked at a debate in 2008 if healthcare was a right or a privilege, stated unequivocally that healthcare was a privilege. Do you believe that only the wealthy deserve healthcare?
You have been priced out of the market because of the federal government's interference in the healthcare market! (See Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement schedules).
You have been priced out of the market because of the Billion$ required by the FDA to bring any new medical treatments, therapies, diagnostic equipment, etc... to the marketplace.
Wake up already! If you think healthcare is expensive now just wait until it is "free". Why do you think the meeting of the Obama administration, the insurance industry, and Big Pharma were all "closed door" from the self-acclaimed most transparent administration ever? Why do you think the cost of most peoples' health insurance has skyrocketed since Obamacare passed?
When you expect others to pay for your personal insurance or anything else via thier taxes/labors then yes, you do have an entitlement mindset.
What should hardworking Americans priced out of the healthcare market do? Elect a physician with a plan to restore sanity by breaking up the oligarchy which is corporatism. Ron Paul 2012!
The present affordable health care act is not what President Obama wanted but to get ANY kind of move forward in health care it was the best he could get. I have always thought that President Obama knew that this bill had flaws and may be overturned but maybe he knows that he can say
"I tried but had too much obstruction so now we must go for a Govt. funded single payer option payed by a straight tax"
Who knows?
Healthcare is a basic need of every human being, if you can't understand that Ifeel sorry for you and have nothing futher to say to you.
Basic needs to not equal rights (except under the Global Socialist standards of the UN's Millenium Goals to subvert the sovereignty of nations). I do not need your pity. I understand that the US Constitution is not compatible with your brand of Socialism, nor should it be!
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Food is more fundamental to life itself than health care...
