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View Poll Results: POLL: What Do You Think "MoveOn.org Gets Huge New York Times Discount Rate for 'Betray Us' Adv
This is Freedom of the Press. 3 8.33%
This is Treason. 6 16.67%
Not Sure 1 2.78%
This is Freedom of Speech 2 5.56%
This is both Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press. 16 44.44%
There should be jail time for treason for someone at the New York Times. 8 22.22%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-13-2007, 07:03 PM
 
Location: SanAnFortWAbiHoustoDalCentral, Texas
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From the FEC's "Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees" (cite is from page 16):
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DISCOUNTS
If a corporation or labor organization sells goods or services to a political committee at a price below the usual or normal charge, a prohibited contribution results in the amount of the discount. 100.52(d). A reduced price is not considered a contribution, however, if it is offered by the vendor in the ordinary course of business and at the same amount charged to nonpolitical clients. See, e.g., AO 1989-14.
It may be freedom of speech and freedom of press, but as MoveOn is a Political Action Committee, it may be a violation of the Federal Election code. It may have violated some senses as well.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:16 PM
 
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Published: September 13, 2007 3:30 PM ET

NEW YORK The New York Times is denying a claim by rival New York Post that it deliberately slashed ad rates to run the now-controversial MoveOn.org full-pager earlier this week to combat Gen. David Petraeus's testimony before Congress.

A Post story today asked why the Times slashed its basic full page ad charge of $181,000 to about $65,000, which MoveOn says it paid. The ad, criticized by conservatives and war supporters, asked, "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?"

But Reuters reports that Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis denied the rate charged indicated a political bias. "We do not distinguish the advertising rates based on the political content of the ad," Mathis told Reuters.

"The advertising folks did not see the content of the ad before the rate was quoted," she said, adding that there were over 30 different categories of ads with varying rates, based on, for example, multiple buys and other factors.
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Old 09-13-2007, 07:43 PM
 
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They can post what ever they want and support who ever they want, that’s what our freedoms are all about.

The other freedom is the freedom to buy or not buy the paper.
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Northeast
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Hopefully people will tell the NYT what they think of them at the news stand and buy another rag.
I actually signed up for home delivery when I read it.

Woo-hoo!
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:07 PM
 
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From the FEC's "Campaign Guide for Nonconnected Committees" (cite is from page 16):


It may be freedom of speech and freedom of press, but as MoveOn is a Political Action Committee, it may be a violation of the Federal Election code. It may have violated some senses as well.
This is the reason a big newspaper like the NYT would never deliberately discount a political ad -- but it's only one reason. Another reason for not discounting is because there is always an opposing party and if they found out you discounted for the other guy, ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE! (Kinda like now... )

I used to sell advertising for another big newspaper and I know the rules for political advertising. Trust me. The NYT would never knowingly give moveon.org a discount. I could see this happening if moveon.org convinced someone else (like a charity) to place the ad under false pretenses (like saying it was a "tribute" ad or something like that) and getting the charity rate for the ad. Or if moveon.org got a retailer with a linage contract to place the ad without telling the NYT what the content of the ad was. If moveon.org did anyone one of those things (or anyone else who placed the ad for them), they will never run in the NYT again -- unless they make up the difference in the cost.
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:07 PM
 
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First of all, all newspapers do not and can not afford to give discounts---circulation is falling faster than you can say brian-de-palma-sucks. Now, lets see if the NYT will give me a discount if I run a conservative ad.
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:10 PM
 
Location: NC
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The discount is supposedly offered on all political ads. Lets see if Rudy Or Ron Paul get the same
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:15 PM
 
Location: NC
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I love the NYT There is generally enough paper to wrap up a really big pile of fish guts.
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Old 09-14-2007, 02:36 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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I actually signed up for home delivery when I read it.

Woo-hoo!
Did you get the "first month free and 50% off the weekly subscription?" deal LOL
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Old 09-14-2007, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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Did you get the "first month free and 50% off the weekly subscription?" deal LOL
I think the ad is fine, even with the .org discount.
I don't read the paper though. I used to, but one day I figured reading that paper is just as bad as the people who get their news from Hannity. So I stopped.

Besides, I get all my news online now anyway. These days you have to go to 5 different sources for political news, just to be sure you're getting all the facts.

~T
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