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Old 04-10-2012, 10:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Well, the thread is now four pages long.


And still no one has cited any studies at all... much less any study proving a link between man's activities and climate change.


And so the leftists pushing for government to be given vastly more power and money to "fix" the climate, continue their perfect 40-year-long 0-for-everything record in failing to prove man can do ANYTHING about climate change.


Why do we need to listen to such a group of perfect failures?
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:51 PM
 
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Well, the thread is now four pages long.


And still no one has cited any studies at all... much less any study proving a link between man's activities and climate change.


And so the leftists pushing for government to be given vastly more power and money to "fix" the climate, continue their perfect 40-year-long 0-for-everything record in failing to prove man can do ANYTHING about climate change.


Why do we need to listen to such a group of perfect failures?
S. Leviticus et al. Anthropogenic Warming of Earth's Climate System
Science 13 April 2001: 267-270.

T Barnett, Pierce, DW, and Schnur R.Detection of Anthropogenic Climate Change in the World's Oceans. Science 13 April 2001: 292 (5515), 270-274. [DOI:10.1126/science.1058304]

Two just from Science Mag.
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Old 04-10-2012, 10:57 PM
 
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The topic needs to be dismissed.

Any person with any sense realizes the Idea or Concept of Climate Change has no validity. It is obviously beyond man's control; therefore, it is not relevant for man to pretend he can contol the climate.

Consensus says "Ronald McDonald is King Solomon reincarnated". Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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The actual agency designated to study climate? Why are those scientists, experts in the actual field, who actually publish peer reviewed lit on the subject less qualified than the people in NASA?
Tell that to Hansen, he's been one the most outspoken scientists in the debate and his bias is quite clear. He was arrested at an environmental protest and once compared coal trains to Nazi death trains.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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"Just as Jim Hansen, the head of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, has recently likened man-made global warming to “a great moral issue” like “slavery,” a group of 49 former NASA scientists issued a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolton asking for the administration refrain from including “unproven and unsupported remarks” about climate science in its communications."

"The letter, sent at the end of March, includes former scientists, astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center who believe climate science is “not settled” and wish for NASA to look at all available scientific data before making claims of carbon dioxide’s “catastrophic impact”.


Former NASA Scientists, Directors, Astronauts Send Letter Stating Climate Science Is Not Settled | TheBlaze.com

Oh my! You mean to tell me that NASA hires RWNJ 'Flat Earthers?"
Glen Beck's rag The Blaze? LOL Really? NASA has thousands of scientists, so there are bound to be a few nuts among them.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I am not sure why climatologists or oceanographers are the only ones who can say anything about the BS known as Global Warming... oh that's right... cause a liberal said so...
You're right. It makes no more sense than having doctors be the only ones who should diagnose an illness. Afterall everyone knows that aerospace engineering is EXACTLY the same as heart surgery. I'm sure the next time you need a bypass you'll be heading over to the nearest airplane factory.




EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion - but not all opinions are EQUAL.

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Old 04-11-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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CO2 is not a poisonous gas. It's quite harmless.

Over 99% of all greenhouse gases are from natural sources.

So, try again.
So you think burning oil only creates CO2?
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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AGAIN!!!!!

They aren't saying that climate change, global warming, whatever isn't happening. It is, period.

What they are saying is that there is no 100% evidence that man made carbon emissions are contributing to it.

Should we limit mans impact on the environment in all places? Yes, this planet is our only life support system, and we shouldn't go throwing monkey wrenches at it. Does that mean we should ruin our economy doing so? No, for one it won't do any good, and on a second note, we don't know if it would help climate change at all.

But that doesn't mean cutting carbon emissions isn't a good idea, it is. Its humans doing something outside of the natural biosphere process by releasing a naturally occurring substance, at a faster rate then nature would. Just like to much water can poison a human, to much carbon dioxide can poison our atmosphere. Now, has the amount we released done that? I don't know. But why chance it?

We can cut carbon emissions at a slow and steady rate without destroying our economy. And anyone who screams "oh, coal will die" and things like that are just as irrational as people saying we should end all carbon emissions tomorrow.
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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Not really sure why people who are not climatologists or oceanographers feel they are experts in climate science?

Walter Cunningham, has a BA in physics, hardly makes him an expert in the field yet he has become the voice of the AGW movement. Where are the papers he has published? The peer review?

NOAA, the actual organization dedicated to studying this area, has the opposite view, and more expertise. They publish papers, they peer review. Whose science stands up to the scientific method is readily clear.

You do realize that climate science is comprised of the application of physics and in the case of models, mathematics? So explain to me how a person that is educated and skilled in such areas is incapable of evaluating that within climate science?

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/jhansen.html

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  • B.A., Physics and Mathematics, 1963, University of Iowa
  • M.S., Astronomy, 1965, University of Iowa
  • Ph.D., Physics, 1967, University of Iowa
I don't see a degree in "climate science".


I do however see degrees in physics, mathematics and Astronomy. Tell me, if another mathematician or physicist takes issues with his math or physics in a given claim, how are they unqualified to do so?
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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I guess they've had enough of the kook Hansen and his mini me gavin embarrassing NASA with their demagoguery based on those defective climate models, which DON'T match the empirical evidence at all.
He is a nut ball, that is for sure. He is constantly politicizing the issues and consistently embarrasses the rest in NASA. They are certainly fed up with him.
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