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Man, I wish your English 102 teacher had done his job. You might be better at this, if he had. People debate things because they aren't demonstrable; they are only probable, which is what causes debate (Aristotle's On Rhetoric). You speak as if what you imagine will happen in this class is what will absolutely happen. You have no way of proving that.
You have no way of proving I'm wrong either.
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Well then you offer the perfect example of why what you are arguing is incredibly problematic. According to your claims, your professors attempted to indoctrinate you into far left thinking. Didn't work, did it? So why are you obsessed with this class? You think that you are so exceptional that only you were able to resist indoctrination but others won't be able to?
Most will some won't though. The point is this course is not about actually teaching you anything but just telling you to shut up and believe this and if you don't want to fail you have to lie. That is my problem with this course.
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Hmmm, if one replaces "right" with "left," who does that sound like?
That's a nice jerk off comment I'll give you that. Still my point stands.
Marxism did not almost kill the entire planet. The fact that some people liked those ideologies and others didn't was what almost killed the planet.
His teachings led to it and he deserves being faulted for it.
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Their uncivilized way of disagreeing was the problem, not the object of the disagreement.
If the Soviet Union didn't ransack Germany at the end of WW2 like they did the whole thing might not of happened but they did. Not to mention Russia's history of using buffer states as shields. So to sum it up the communist started the cold war.
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I mean, isn't it conservative people who keep saying guns don't kill people, people do?
A gun is an inanimate object not an ideology that can create violent revolutions.
Clear up your confusion yet? Since you did lay that funded public education (notice I don't say free since tax money funds it just like any other government program) came from Marx.
You are troll. Simple as that. Falls under != came from.
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Gee coming from someone who claimed public education for all regardless of class is a Marx idea which clearly isn't the case and the fact you provided a link earlier showing the US moving towards public education for all before Marx ever wrote his manifesto I can't say I'm impressed by your faulty logic.
Again, that you cannot tell the difference between education according to class against a classless education says it all.
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That sure as hell sounds like a claim.
I claim you are the laughing stock of this thread.
For quite some time now it has been capitalism that is destroying the world.
What we have now is a system that is utterly dependent on excess. Supply is no longer reacting to demand, but trying to create demand in the first place because it is not sustainable otherwise. Capitalism lacks a moral and philosophical backbone. Today it is nothing more than a tool people use to to try and extract as much money from the system as possible, at the expense of society, the environment, and any meaningful vision of the future.
Just because they are socialists doesn't make them radicals.
Oh WTF! If you don't realize how incredibly stupid that comment is than you never will.
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Maybe they identify themselves as socialists because they believe that higher education should be free.
Higher education will never be "free". Since people will pay for it themselves out of their own pocket, get loans from companies to pay for it, and/or taxes will pay for it. Nothing is actually "free" in this world.
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Or they believe healthcare should be free.
Again nothing is free in this world.
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That doesn't mean they want to overthrow the government. Socialists does not automatically mean radicals.
The practical application of communism and the groups there are hanging out with say otherwise.
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Your hate of communism makes you see the world through that veil of hate. They're socialists----they must be evil! That's a leap. Your hatred of communism is leading you to leap to all sorts of conclusions, without any facts to support those conclusions.
Millions dead when they came into power and how close the world came to nuclear war are the facts.
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This course is only about indoctrination! That's a leap.
No it really isn't.
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The course hasn't happened, and as I pointed out, no one even knows yet how this course is actually going to play out. Teachers adapt courses constantly to meet the needs and desires of students. They spend more time on one topic, less time on others. They change requirements as they observe how students meet the challenges.
This course is indoctrination it doesn't matter how you keep trying to slice it.
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The fact that any practical application of Marxism is well-nigh impossible since it has never actually had a successful pratical application, and that the teachers have asked for a practical application, would suggest that the teachers know the students are going to learn just how difficult it is to take an idealistic theory and apply it to the real world. That would be a good lesson for college students to learn, wouldn't it?
More likely they'll figure a new spin Marxism to distance it from its previous failures.
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Of course welfare is socialism.
Read "The Road to Serfdom" it answers this question for you since you apparently didn't read my comments explaining why the welfare state isn't socialism.
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They are distinct from one another.
Different window dressing same result.
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I am having problems understanding exactly where you are coming from, because it does not seem like you are actually using the definitions that the rest of us are using.
I'm using the original definition of the term not socialism=all general welfare programs that conservatives were stupid in implying in the past and marxist and left leaning politicians were clever in getting the two to be known as one in the same.
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Your "same outcome" definition is silly.
You get a government with absolute power and people with no rights is what you get. That's why I state it's the same outcome.
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If I travel to Europe on an airplane, or travel to Europe via ship, the airplane and the ship aren't magically the same thing because they both have the same outcome. They are completely different.
His teachings led to it and he deserves being faulted for it.
If the Soviet Union didn't ransack Germany at the end of WW2 like they did the whole thing might not of happened but they did. Not to mention Russia's history of using buffer states as shields. So to sum it up the communist started the cold war.
A gun is an inanimate object not an ideology that can create violent revolutions.
No, you have to fault people for what they made of it. I share many views Marxists, Socialist, and Communists have, but not the way dictatorships implemented them or pretended to do so.
I can understand the Russians. They had made by far the biggest sacrifices during the war. Why wouldn't they try and take a piece of the pie? The problem with Russians and Socialism/Communism was that they tried to compete with the world when that system is not really made to compete. Nor were they exactly purists, there was an upper class with privileges and everything, not much different from the West.
So? Both an inanimate object and an ideology can be abused to cause violence, revolutions, etc.
Oh WTF! If you don't realize how incredibly stupid that comment is than you never will.
Higher education will never be "free". Since people will pay for it themselves out of their own pocket, get loans from companies to pay for it, and/or taxes will pay for it. Nothing is actually "free" in this world.
Again nothing is free in this world.
The practical application of communism and the groups there are hanging out with say otherwise.
Millions dead when they came into power and how close the world came to nuclear war are the facts.
No it really isn't.
This course is indoctrination it doesn't matter how you keep trying to slice it.
More likely they'll figure a new spin Marxism to distance it from its previous failures.
Read "The Road to Serfdom" it answers this question for you since you apparently didn't read my comments explaining why the welfare state isn't socialism.
Different window dressing same result.
I'm using the original definition of the term not socialism=all general welfare programs that conservatives were stupid in implying in the past and marxist and left leaning politicians were clever in getting the two to be known as one in the same.
You get a government with absolute power and people with no rights is what you get. That's why I state it's the same outcome.
Useless deflection.
Is "useless deflection" your stock response that means, I can't think of a rebuttal, so rather than concede the point, I'll try to ignore it?
The Inquisition courts defended their actions as a defense of Christianity. Does Christ deserve to be faulted for the Inquisition?
Are you going to stop deflecting or not?
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You have no way of proving I'm wrong either.
