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Old 04-15-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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You said "people" which translates to plural...more than one. I asked you how many.
I've seen 2 different individuals who claim they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman before the shot was fired. Now answer my question, have you read any witnesses claim that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon beating him before Trayvon was shot?

 
Old 04-15-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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An eyewitness is certainly better than a witness who didn't see a thing but thought they heard a voice that sounded like an adolescent crying out for help.
An eye witness who gave a report at the scene is also better than a witness who was on the other end of a cell phone call who gives a report a month after the event took place.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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An eye witness who gave a report at the scene is also better than a witness who was on the other end of a cell phone call who gives a report a month after the event took place.
I do believe Rev AL personally saw it.

Or was it that Waters lady ?
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:21 AM
 
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I don`t think that Florida`s "right to shoot an unarmed man" law is going to work for him.
On the contrary it just might...https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...l#post23866151
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:23 AM
 
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I do believe Rev AL personally saw it.

Or was it that Waters lady ?
Oh...don't forget, it may have been Jesse Jackson, better yet, probably 1 of the black panther members, they know everything.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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I've seen 2 different individuals who claim they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman before the shot was fired. Now answer my question, have you read any witnesses claim that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon beating him before Trayvon was shot?
You think you are quick on the uptake, but you are not. I never said that I heard of a witness stating that GZ was on top. Where did I state that? Point it out to me. Wouldn't matter anyway as I still realize the issues surrounding eyewitness testimony either way. However, at least three witnesses claim that it was Trayvon who was heard screaming for help and they will be or have been interviewed just as well, with all of the same considerations taken into account when evaluating witness testimony.

Just what does Trayvon's being on top mean until all of the evidence is analyzed?
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:28 AM
 
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You said "people" which translates to plural...more than one. I asked you how many.

There are also the issues surrounding "eyewitness testimony". There are thousands of sites that discuss some of the problems with it.

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony
The Problem With Eyewitness Testimony

Professionals take the possible shortcomings of eyewitness testimony into consideration. Was the witness drinking prior to "witnessing" the incident, does the witness wear glasses, proximity of witness to crime scene, etc. These are just examples of technical issues as there will also be a character reliability check of the witness.
Thanks sickofnyc you made me laugh..........betcha if there were eyewitness testimony saying they saw GZ on top of TM beating him up, you wouldn't be looking up " problems w/ eyewitness testimony".
Nice going ............LOL
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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I've seen 2 different individuals who claim they saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman before the shot was fired. Now answer my question, have you read any witnesses claim that Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon beating him before Trayvon was shot?
Please provide the link. Thanks. Although as I said, all evidence needs to be evaluated before assumimg that Trayvon was "killing" Zimmerman or making him a future drooling vegetable. Did the witnesses (plural) see them on the grass or concrete? I suppose your link will clarify that.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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Thanks sickofnyc you made me laugh..........betcha if there were eyewitness testimony saying they saw GZ on top of TM beating him up, you wouldn't be looking up " problems w/ eyewitness testimony".
Nice going ............LOL
He's so transparent it's sad.
 
Old 04-15-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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However, at least three witnesses claim that it was Trayvon who was heard screaming for help and they will be or have been interviewed just as well, with all of the same considerations taken into account when evaluating witness testimony.

The key word in your post is "heard" (ear witness), which IMO is less reliable than actually seeing the person who was screaming (eyewitness) ...

Here's my take on the question regarding who was screaming:

There is at least one eyewitness who said that the guy in the "red sweater" was on the bottom of the struggle and was screaming for help. The "red sweater" guy turned out to be GZ as we could see in the police video he had on a red jacket.

The family members from both sides claim the screams came from the TM|GZ. IMO this cancels out the investigative question on who was actually screaming because there clearly is a bias on both sides and an emotional one at that...

You have "ear witnesses" claiming that the screams came from a young man (both are young men IMO). Those "ear witnesses" do not personally know either GZ or TM therefore cannot possibly know the tone of either guy's voice...

In my opinion at this point the "eyewitness" is the most credible...
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