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Old 04-17-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Abortions aren't always ethical, or unethical.

Each and every situation is its own moral choice, and its only right or wrong to the woman who is, or is not having the procedure done.

Its not for anyone else to decide, and its impossible to enforce in a free country.

So if we can't end abortion, ever, and some peoples decision to get one is ethical, then it would be stupid to make it illegal.
Abortions are always unethical, they end life.

If some people believe it is ethical to drink and drive, it does not make it so. It would be stupid to make drinking and driving legal because people do it anyway.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Why are Konservatives so concerned with the possibility of killing the unborn while so gleeful about sending troops and weaponry to kill countless of thousands of men, women, children and unborn children in far off places? Why so opposed to abortion yet so unwilling to support children?

Simple reason: The fetuses are irrelevant. The object is to control women by penalizing their fertility and enslaving them to house, home and husband. The object is to prevent women from having any freedom at all by making them dependant on men. However nowhere in the Konservative Krap is male responsibility to support the women and their children ever considered. I blame this on too many males never growing beyond preteen selfishness to become responsible men.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:49 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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No, an acorn is not a fertilized egg.
It's not an oak tree either but you're apparently incapable of understanding the simple concept of development. A fertilized egg isn't a human being either.

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You claimed a fertilized human egg may develop into a human being, that means it may not also. So, please, tell us when a fertilized human egg develops into an oak tree, or a whale, or anything other than a human being.
Your assuming it's allowed to develop, you're apparently also incapable of understanding what abortion does, STOP DEVELOPMENT. This IN NO WAY means abortion is killing a human being, only that it stops the development of a fertilized egg into one.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Abortions are always unethical, they end life.

If some people believe it is ethical to drink and drive, it does not make it so. It would be stupid to make drinking and driving legal because people do it anyway.
So if a mothers life is threatened, and the baby is going to be still born anyway, an abortion is unethical?

There are situations in which everyone may find themselves where they would choose an abortion. There are also some people who would never get an abortion for any reason. The latter is a very small percentage though, and most rational people could find themselves in a situation where an abortion is the best possible outcome.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:52 AM
 
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Abortions are always unethical, they end life.
Life?

Or A life?

You really should learn the difference.
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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FWIW - some, many, fertilized human eggs develop into a mass of cells that the woman's body eliminates through miscarriage. Is this an abortion? Should the woman be held responsible for this? What about the male that may have donated defective sperm?
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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FWIW - some, many, fertilized human eggs develop into a mass of cells that the woman's body eliminates through miscarriage. Is this an abortion? Should the woman be held responsible for this? What about the male that may have donated defective sperm?
No, no one actively took a life. If cancer kills a patient the doctor isn't heal responsible. If the doctor administers a lethal dose of morphine to a cancer patient, that is murder.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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For instance, from the premises some A are B, some B are C, therefore some A are C
A-abortion
B-rationality
C-unethical-ness.

Some A are B. No B is C. No A that is B is C.

Some abortions are rational.
Nothing rational is unethical.

Therefore,

Some abortions aren't unethical.

Furthermore,

No abortion that is rational is unethical.

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Old 04-18-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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Abortions are always unethical, they end life.
"Abortions end life.
Therefore,
Abortions are unethical."

Assumed premise: "Ending life is unethical".

However, premise is false.

Is it unethical to end life always?

You're on an island. There is only enough food resources for one. There is one other on this island. The other knows the resource situation. He has stated he will end your life. He has nothing but a spear. You happen to have a gun. He is coming at you with his spear.

Is it unethical to shoot?

Nope.

Therefore, ending a life isn't always unethical.

Plenty of other examples..war, capital punishment, self defense. All these assume rationality of action. Abortion can also be rational.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:19 AM
 
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I assert;

Abortions are possible.
All possibilities should be explored.
Most rational possibility should be exercised.
Abortion can be most rational possibility.
Nothing unethical can be deemed rational.

Abortions can't be unethical.

Discuss.
Sorry, is this philosophy 101 or something? If not, then the next time you command me to do something, you'd better be handing over a pretty big check for my time.
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