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Old 04-17-2012, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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I am saying... if you put something in an oven, nothing in there is going to freeze while the rest is melting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equator...ns_and_climate

The whole world should be like this according to your logic. It's freezing in Seattle at the moment.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:39 PM
 
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Equator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The whole world should be like this according to your logic. It's freezing in Seattle at the moment.
According to my logic, when you propose a hypothesis and then test it and it passes 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, etc etc of the time... it is still a failure... 2+2 will always equal 4... 2+2=5 is a failure... as is any number other than 4
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It depends on who 'they' is.
While meteorologists have generally agreed that global warming is occurring, there has never been 100% agreement. No projection or possible scenario has been universally been agreed upon, either.

It must be remembered that this time is the first in all humanity when such observations and projections could even be made using hard data at all. All this is brand-new to science in comparison to what we have learned about other natural phenomena.

Even the belief that we are already past the point of no return is questioned.

In my own opinion, humankind has not learned to prepare for long-term changes at all. We have never had the means to do so before, and we have never needed the ability, as we are such global migrators.

If indeed there is nothing we can do, we will just respond by reacting to the new realities as they come along. As our knowledge grows, and it's growing increasingly fast, our responses will come economically.

We are already seeing some of that- cars that get 30+ mpg are selling like hotcakes because oil costs so much right now.
And since development of new oil resources, wherever and whatever they might be, will cost $50 to $100 a barrel just to use the stuff, oil ain't ever going to be any cheaper with world-wide demand steady increasing every year.

Just this will eventually have an effect on the climate in time. And gas is only one part of the bigger picture. When anything becomes unaffordable, we will change as a necessity.

What an interesting position the global warming alarmists take. Virtually anything that disproves a previously held position somehow affirms global warming.

Global warming is new religion. Everything must be taken on faith. As their predictions fail one by one we are assured we are headed for armaggedon.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:43 PM
 
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Go figure what?
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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We could experience a global ice age and the man-made warming crowd would still not admit they were played for fools. It has never been about science, it has always been about wealth redistribution.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Right. Your link said glaciers are decreasing all over the world, except for a few, which are increasing slightly. The loss is greater than the gain. Your logic equation mentioned above ='s global glacial shrinkage. It's akin to me setting myself on fire while my feet are in a bucket of water. Hey, feets R good. My eyes are exploding, though. I thought the global warming talk was about reducing pollutants. Why is it a bad thing to reduce pollutants.

You're trying to juxtapose a localized weather phenomena with a global loss of ice. What were you trying to say? A litttle bit of ice here makes up for a lot of ice there?

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We could experience a global ice age and the man-made warming crowd would still not admit they were played for fools. It has never been about science, it has always been about wealth redistribution.
You gotta watch people, man. They put up these links saying we're losing more ice than we're making.
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Old 04-17-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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If global warming is warming then there should be no point in time where temperatures are less than the average... otherwise it wouldn't be global... you cannot make something that is false into true because some things did happen and some things the opposite happened... that makes it completely untrue..
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Old 04-17-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It depends on who 'they' is.
While meteorologists have generally agreed that global warming is occurring, there has never been 100% agreement. No projection or possible scenario has been universally been agreed upon, either.

It must be remembered that this time is the first in all humanity when such observations and projections could even be made using hard data at all. All this is brand-new to science in comparison to what we have learned about other natural phenomena.

Even the belief that we are already past the point of no return is questioned.

In my own opinion, humankind has not learned to prepare for long-term changes at all. We have never had the means to do so before, and we have never needed the ability, as we are such global migrators.

If indeed there is nothing we can do, we will just respond by reacting to the new realities as they come along. As our knowledge grows, and it's growing increasingly fast, our responses will come economically.

We are already seeing some of that- cars that get 30+ mpg are selling like hotcakes because oil costs so much right now.
And since development of new oil resources, wherever and whatever they might be, will cost $50 to $100 a barrel just to use the stuff, oil ain't ever going to be any cheaper with world-wide demand steady increasing every year.

Just this will eventually have an effect on the climate in time. And gas is only one part of the bigger picture. When anything becomes unaffordable, we will change as a necessity.

A gallon of gasoline in Saudi Arabia, is 18¢
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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What an interesting position the global warming alarmists take. Virtually anything that disproves a previously held position somehow affirms global warming.

Global warming is new religion. Everything must be taken on faith. As their predictions fail one by one we are assured we are headed for armaggedon.
I think it is denial that is the new religion, because like religion it ignores facts, and will not accept any science contrary to it's position...I have never seen anyone on the deniers side post valid evidence for their case, say like posting the net loss of global glacial ice, decreasing sea levels on a global scale, lower average global sea temperatures, or air temperatures....Where is your evidence?
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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A gallon of gasoline in Saudi Arabia, is 18¢
...and your point is?
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