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Thanks for posting the recording of the 9-1-1 call; it is chilling.
I don't know how anyone could listen to that tape, and hear the excitement in Horn's voice about the prospect of killing someone, and not think it was anything but coldblooded murder.
This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've read on this thread. Edit: Actually, that's far from true, now that I think about it.
Why do you think there's a connection? Are you saying the states without SYG laws have more crime? Can you please show me some data?
People often go free under "stand your ground" in cases that seem to make a mockery of what lawmakers intended. One man killed two unarmed people and walked out of jail. Another shot a man as he lay on the ground. Others went free after shooting their victims in the back. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free.
Violent crime in Florida is DOWN 14% since the SYG law was passed in 2005. How many people are alive that otherwise would be dead? How many rapes were prevented? How many armed robberies and car jackings stopped? How many violent criminals decided the risk was too great, and went "straight"?
The results are similar in the rest of the country where SYG laws have been passed.
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For those who passed "Stand Your Ground" laws, the violent crime rate did fall from 446.42 per 100,000 residents in 2004 to 431.34 per 100,000 residents in 2009, while those that did not pass them rose from 398.53 to 398.62 over that same timespan. This does seem to indicate some support for these "Stand Your Ground" laws.
I don't argue that there might be some states where the law was poorly worded and could use some ammending. But overall, these laws are working.
Life is a little harder on criminals though. There are still plenty of places with "OSHA for criminals" where law abiding people are largely forced to be defenseless. Chicago, DC and NYC come to mind.
What neighborhood watch rules do you believe Mr. Zimmerman did not follow?
He was not supposed to follow anyone and not supposed to carry a gun. Look, that topic has been discussed here at length. I'm not going to go looking for all those posts for you.. Some people here have posted a lot about neighborhood watch rules and know far more about it than I do. You can search the thread for the key words.
As a matter of fact, a couple of people just a few posts up thread have posted about neighborhood watch and seem to know what they're talking about because they participate in neighborhood watch programs.
He was not supposed to follow anyone and not supposed to carry a gun. Look, that topic has been discussed here at length. I'm not going to go looking for all those posts for you.. Some people here have posted a lot about neighborhood watch rules and know far more about it than I do. You can search the thread for the key words.
As a matter of fact, a couple of people just a few posts up thread have posted about neighborhood watch and seem to know what they're talking about because they participate in neighborhood watch programs.
What do the rules state that a neighborhod watch captain is supposed to do when they are assaulted and being beaten?
Yes, that was the broad daylight robbery of their neighbor. He warned the thieves to stop or he would shoot (don't know if they had any gun).
They threatened him, then went back to steal from his neighbor.
As they started to carry loot away they walked toward him, he gave a warning and he shot at them.
One ran off and died if I remember correctly.
They both approached him ON HIS PROPERTY after he warned them to stop. Both were criminal aliens and had been convicted for drug trafficing from Columbia. I won't shed any tears for them.
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