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What absurdity! A big guy with an ax does not need a gun to kill a lot of people in a crowd. Just ask the survivors of any Viking raid. The only thing that is going to stop a crazy from shooting up a crowd of people is someone in the crowd shooting back and stopping the slaughter. We need more, not fewer, armed and trained civillians carrying firearms.
Well, since you are in MA (been there, done that, and have my LTC there but let it expire, since I moved).... I think you will find the state fickle on getting an LTC, mostly based upon the town you are in.
Ran me $800 and about 6 months. (course, physician approval, member of a local gun club, etc) I ran the CORI myself, and they were annoyed with that (said it would take them 3 weeks, and I did it in about 24 hours).
This was a while ago, and depends on town. It wasn't really even an LTC (well, only permission to carry it to and from a range, or hunting, and hunting in MA with a handgun is illegal). Then you get into the mess of 'large capacity' and such.
As an example of discrepancies between towns, for a period of time the chief of police in Andover refused to sign any carry permits. He had to back down on that one, ultimately.
I got my carry permit in North Andover, and the service officer threatened to break my fingers if I didn't lay them absolutely flat for fingerprinting.
So, in summary, my condolences for trying to get a MA LTC permit. You have your work cut out for you (unless you are a business person carrying bankroll money, or a few other reasons).
Not exactly sure why the 'personal protection' course had us role-play shooting intruders, especially in a state that hates guns, but I learned how to do it anyway.
Personally, I wouldn't (actually can't with the stuff I now own) ,move back there. JMHO.
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I am a realist and propose we do absolutely nothing the deaths of a dew 10,000s of Americans out of several hundred millions of us is an ACCEPTABLE LOSS. In the big picture of things virtually all of our dead will have no impact on the flow of events and after a few years who will even miss them?
Let's see here.....how to describe the above quoted post:
Pathetic
Laughable
Asinine
That'll do for starters.
These words are an even better description of you the poster of the reply to my reply. Merryment is a good thing and know I am laughing it you and all of your kind.
This was an accident. What do you suppose someone could do intentionally? Should we ban cars because they're too dangerous?
No this is the silly kind of arguement that NRA types like to use . We put far more regulations licensing and insurance on motorists and car or truck owners and in many areas you have to demonstarte your car or truck is in safe operating consition and your car or truck does not put out excessive exhaust emissions! Even better you have to pay and pay for all these manditory tests, examinations, insurances licenses and registrations. In some states your poor old 89 year old might even lose his license because he didn't have the mental, visual or physical accuity to safely operate a motor vehicle.
Now gun owners face almost none of these legal regulations and in most cases don't have to demostrate mebtal, visual or physical minumums to safely operate a firearms. When a Sung Hui, Jared, Lee Boyd or anyone of thousands of other gun criminals exact their pound of flesh on our nations it really is too late.
What absurdity! A big guy with an ax does not need a gun to kill a lot of people in a crowd. Just ask the survivors of any Viking raid. The only thing that is going to stop a crazy from shooting up a crowd of people is someone in the crowd shooting back and stopping the slaughter. We need more, not fewer, armed and trained civillians carrying firearms.
What is really absurd is thinking if a Viking had gotten is hand on a gun or even a blunderbus he would have wasted his time using a battle ax or a mace or even a broad sword. Our European ancestors cashed in their swords, long bows and spears the moment firearms and gun powder became known to them!
Your second stupidity is thinking a noble gun welding citizen in a crowd will minmize the loss of lfe in a crowded enivironment. He is more likely to shooot and inocent bystander and amplify the choas, carnage and disorder.
I love how these macho gun nuts get all their panties twisted when someone points out that most criminals caught in "break ins" don't murder the occupants.
As the title of this thread, implies.
It's so important to scare the lemmings silly, so you can sell them something, or get away with something.
Pointing out a simple truth is just a big drag on their rhetoric.
However, the figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 600 murders per year. In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.
For the simple minded that means its the one defensive use of a firearm we will see this year. 4221 time people find another way which I am sure would go significantly up.
Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot.
Simple minded indeed.
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