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Old 04-26-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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What is something of use in your eyes. Apparently the silly gadget computer caught your eye as you are using one. I'm twisting nothing.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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All for the children who will be living in the dark and eating rice soon.

" The report, titled, Economy Derailed: State-by-State Impacts of the EPA Regulatory Train Wreck, found that jobs are the target of many of the EPA’s regulations. Many of the new regulations from the EPA are causing power plants to shut down across the country. Additionally, these new rules are destroying jobs, raising energy costs, and decreasing the reliability of electricity. Over 100 power plants could be shut down with these pending regulations. The EPA is holding up previously approved permits for coal mining. And they are not shutting down coal plants because of their new air quality regulations. This puts 27,000 jobs at risk.
Not only are jobs being cut by these new restrictions, but they are also inadvertently increasing the costs of various energies. It has been discovered that the environment’s quality has been improving, with a decrease in emissions of mercury, carbon monoxide, ozone, lead, nitrogen oxide, particulates, fine particulates, and sulfur dioxide. Although this has been found the EPA insists on creating more regulations to fix the non-existent continuing problem with the environment. Americans can expect to see an average increase of 10.35 percent on their electricity rates. They are cutting several thousands of jobs and additionally increasing the costs you pay for these energies."

Read more: Americans for Tax Reform : ALEC Report Highlights EPA Overreach

PDF to the report where you can see the state by state impact.

http://www.alec.org/docs/Economy_Der...April_2012.pdf
Leaving aside the fact that the source of this information is ALEC, I'd say that if any of this is true, then the EPA is again doing its job.
Well-done.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Of course you don't. I doubt you even read it. Ridiculous regulations............These are EPA estimates mind you not ALEC. The actual source is your holy EPA. I suggest you read it.

Environmental quality in the United States continues to
improve, despite the doomsday rhetoric coming from the
EPA and environmental groups. Mercury, carbon monoxide,
ozone, lead, nitrogen oxide, particulates, fine particulates,
and sulfur dioxide have all decreased in both ambient
concentrations in the atmosphere and in total emissions.
Affordable and reliable energy has directly led to a high standard
of living by allowing Americans to devote more resources to
health-promoting activities such as diet, health care, and
exercise rather than heating, cooling, and transportation costs.

By contrast, unnecessary and burdensome environmental
regulations do have negative health impacts that result
from income being diverted away from health-promoting
expenditures toward energy costs. These impacts are far
worse for lower-income populations, because energy makes
up a larger proportion of their budget.
• The Utility MACT (MATS) Rule could require retrofits for up
to 753 electricity-generating units, and up to 15 gigawatts
of electricity could be forced into early retirement. The
standards are so stringent that even recently permitted
plants employing the best available technology cannot meet
them, and no new coal plants are likely to be built. Although
at odds with just about every independent cost estimate, the
EPA’s estimate of annual cost is approximately $11 billion,
and its estimate of annual health benefits from the reduction
in mercury is only $6 million.

• The Boiler MACT Rule , estimated risks nearly 800,000 jobs nationwide and the EPA has nota single health benefit for
reducing the pollutants that this rule was intended to address.
• The Cross-State Air Pollution Rule could threaten up to 7
gigawatts of electricity generation with early retirement,
affecting reliability and affordability of electricity. The EPA
estimates that the rule could cost $2.4 billion annually, yet the
newest data reveals that the CSAPR may not even be necessary,
because emissions have declined during the past few years
.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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GREAT, the coal industry needs to die off, clean coal is a lie. With the price of Nat gas there is little need for coal.
Has it occurred to you or the President and Ms. Jackson that the natural gas boom is because of fracking? You know that thing that causes all that trouble with ground water? Of course, that part is Pelosi since the fracking takes place well over one thousand feet below ground and little, if any, ground water is pumped from that deep? Anyway it is fracking that is allowing the new natural gas numbers.
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Old 04-26-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No one looks at the big picture, we are nothing on this big planet. You are right, we cant survive without electricity and we may have to look at some cave drawings to see how they generated electricity to survive. So what, at least your kids and there kids and so on will have an earth to live on. You think about the small things that dont matter.
Get out your proof that burning coal will destroy this planet. Seriously what do you have other than the word of those who want to instill Cap and Trade in order to "break" all of us.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Too late, they already have. Ever heard of fracking, and the debate over it? The very technology that is making NG cheap and available. The greenies won't be happy till everyone is scratching in the dirt for food and living in caves. At least mustangdude admits it.
Very true but remember when on this forum they were crying about all that fracking causing water to be fouled in Pennyslvania and it was proven that when you frack at 1500 feet there is no harm to ground water at 100 feet. They had to smile through the egg on their faces over that one.

Out here in irrigating country most of the wells aren't any deeper than about 200 ft. and the fracking here is not ruining the water.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Nope, being midway between Davis-Bessie and Perry I'd say most of my Droid's power is nuclear. .......
I sure am glad the EPA has solved that problem about long term storage of spent rods from nuclear reactors.

Oh wait, never mind, they have not!
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I sure am glad the EPA has solved that problem about long term storage of spent rods from nuclear reactors.

Oh wait, never mind, they have not!
Careful, you may hurt some feelings throwing all that truth at them.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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Instead of using technology to build dumb stuff like computers, cell phones, etc, why not use it to build or find alternate sources to use that are not harmful..
Because there's no such thing as energy that is not harmful. Even the sun is harmful.
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Old 04-26-2012, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Care to read a little alternate opinion of ALEC?

SourceWatch

That group is like a hidden cancer. Working assiduously beneath the radar, they've literally been writing pro-corporate legislation at the state and federal level for a long time. That legislation is then offered up by their paid toadies.

Everyone likes to complain about corporate influence on our politics. Well...ALEC is the heart and brains of the multi-headed Hydra of corporatism.

If you really like corporatism, then go ahead believe their propaganda. You'll get what you deserve.
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