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Old 05-04-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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A study of 13 industrialized countries released Thursday showed Japan spends the least on health care, while the United States spends the most without providing superior care for the money.......... full article at US health care spending highest, Japan lowest: study - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/us-health-care-spending-highest-japan-lowest-study-200153510.html - broken link)
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: MASSACHUSETTS
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We can argue about which system is best for healthcare all day long but we have to face the fact that we are the fattest most unhealthy people in the world. 1 payer or private healthcare system - that is going to drive up costs a lot. No coincidence Japanese people have lowest cost and are also the most healthy
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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We can argue about which system is best for healthcare all day long but we have to face the fact that we are the fattest most unhealthy people in the world. 1 payer or private healthcare system - that is going to drive up costs a lot. No coincidence Japanese people have lowest cost and are also the most healthy
Exactly. It is not socially acceptable to be fat in Japan, but it is in America. We keep fighting each other about WHO pays for health care but ultimately we all pay for it. If we don't collectively make some serious lifestyle changes, we will be bankrupted by medical costs regardless of whether it's socialized medicine or not. All the health care in the world is not going to save us if we don't start taking better care of ourselves.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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Much of this is culture driven - i.e., we have to have a culture that motivates well-being and morals in order to become healthier. That isn't going to be done alone and it isn't going to be accomplished through a single-payer system or regulations. It comes from the moral compass of our country and its citizens.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Japan also has mandatory waistline checks for all between 40 and 70 years old. Those who fail the check are sent for 're-education.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/wo...pagewanted=all
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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We can argue about which system is best for healthcare all day long but we have to face the fact that we are the fattest most unhealthy people in the world. 1 payer or private healthcare system - that is going to drive up costs a lot. No coincidence Japanese people have lowest cost and are also the most healthy
Yeah and why the hell do you think Americans are so fat and unhealthy? Take a look at your f'ing 401k. that's the entire problem with this stupid country. EVERYONE wants to sit around and ***** and moan about the problems....we are fat, we are lazy, we are unhealthy, we are corrupt, we have too much violence, too many drugs, we go to war too much. Yeah well then get rid of your stock portfolio! How many people are invested in Altria, Nabisco, Kraft, Unilever, etc. etc. You people want to change this country quit supporting the corporations that are ruining it.

I love it! Yeah people are fat and lazy.....meanwhile the marketing and ad agencies I'm heavily invested in are making huge profits by selling their ideas to the food conglomerates who market all this unhealthy crap and sell it. How many people sit there and lambast soda and have no f'ing clue that their 401k or whatever "investment" vehicle is probably heavily invested in Pepsico or Coca Cola!! LOL..........Idiots!

You don't wanna go to war quit investing in Lockheed, Boeing, etc. The military industrial complex is a great example. Boo hoo all those poor troops getting killed........boo hoo......why do we have to go war.......boo hoo......IT"S CALLED CORPORATE PROFITS! If there wasn't war the baby boomers wouldn't have a retirement plan.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Japan also has mandatory waistline checks for all between 40 and 70 years old. Those who fail the check are sent for 're-education.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/wo...pagewanted=all

I'm 6'5 250lbs of solid muscle. BMI says I'm "overweight". I'd love to have some government lackey tell me I'm "too big" after I smash em in the face! This is America............we are free to kill ourselves with obesity and junk food. Fine! Just don't expect other people to pay for it. That's the type of mentality that made America great. Not some nanny state of "ooh you must go back re educate.......waist line too big!!!" WTF is that?

If some fat American wants to eat themselves into diabetic neuropathy and raise their own fat farm of a family on coke and potato chips so be it. Personal choice of what you eat and the consequences is the last vestige of natural population control. Problem is you and I are subsidizing all their irresponsible choices in life.
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Old 05-04-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Dont fpoget the gubmint cheeze and foodstamps to buy it







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Yeah and why the hell do you think Americans are so fat and unhealthy? Take a look at your f'ing 401k. that's the entire problem with this stupid country. EVERYONE wants to sit around and ***** and moan about the problems....we are fat, we are lazy, we are unhealthy, we are corrupt, we have too much violence, too many drugs, we go to war too much. Yeah well then get rid of your stock portfolio! How many people are invested in Altria, Nabisco, Kraft, Unilever, etc. etc. You people want to change this country quit supporting the corporations that are ruining it.

I love it! Yeah people are fat and lazy.....meanwhile the marketing and ad agencies I'm heavily invested in are making huge profits by selling their ideas to the food conglomerates who market all this unhealthy crap and sell it. How many people sit there and lambast soda and have no f'ing clue that their 401k or whatever "investment" vehicle is probably heavily invested in Pepsico or Coca Cola!! LOL..........Idiots!

You don't wanna go to war quit investing in Lockheed, Boeing, etc. The military industrial complex is a great example. Boo hoo all those poor troops getting killed........boo hoo......why do we have to go war.......boo hoo......IT"S CALLED CORPORATE PROFITS! If there wasn't war the baby boomers wouldn't have a retirement plan.
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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George Carlin on Fat People - YouTube
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Old 05-04-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Much of this is culture driven - i.e., we have to have a culture that motivates well-being and morals in order to become healthier. That isn't going to be done alone and it isn't going to be accomplished through a single-payer system or regulations. It comes from the moral compass of our country and its citizens.
And right below your post, we have this...
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Japan also has mandatory waistline checks for all between 40 and 70 years old. Those who fail the check are sent for 're-education.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/wo...pagewanted=all
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