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Old 05-20-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I've spent quite a bit of time here debating the merits of same sex marriage, but I never did go and start this thread and since it seems to be a hot button issue again, I figured now would be as good a time as any.

Here is the hypothetical situation. Imagine that you are a high ranking member of a political campaign that is pushing to enact a state law/constitutional amendment that will mandate that only marriages between one man and one woman will be legally recognized and civil unions between homosexual couples will not be legally recognized, much like the amendment recently passed in North Carolina. Your job in this campaign is to decide on a strategy to raise support for your cause with local voters. You have been assigned a section of a medium sized city where your constituents will be outer urban/suburban types, and almost uniformly undecided on this issue.

You have two tasks.

1. Describe how you would "sell" your views to this voting block.

2. Specifically, justify the banning of same sex civil unions as well as marriage, as you believe these voters will ask for this justification.


Now, here is the big caveat. You CANNOT argue your views from a position of religious/moral conservatism. For whatever the reason may be (high percentage of atheist/agnostics, support separation of church and state...etc) your campaign has determined that such a tactic would not only fail, but would likely push people to vote against you and as such you have been ordered by your superiors to stay away from this argument.

Discuss...
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Old 05-20-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Almost an hour and a half without a single response?
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Bump for the evening crowd.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The days of gay marriage being a huge wedge social issue will probably be over after another 10 or 20 years. Gay marriage will probably be legalized nationwide (or, at the very least, civil unions will be legal nationwide) by then.

Abortion will continue to be a hot button wedge social issue.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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The days of gay marriage being a huge wedge social issue will probably be over after another 10 or 20 years. Gay marriage will probably be legalized nationwide (or, at the very least, civil unions will be legal nationwide) by then.

Abortion will continue to be a hot button wedge social issue.
Oh I agree. I am just curious to see how someone would promote their stance without resorting to religious/moral conservatism.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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My state has already had it say and affirmed marriage as being between one man and one woman.

This is a state issue, not a federal one, no matter how much of a federal case the gay activists try to make it.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:52 PM
 
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Cannot be done. My marriage license issued by the state of Texas established a legal partnership and declared we had no std's. The love honor and obey, keep only to him part came from the church.

Marriage started as a way to protect family assets. Some of those Old Testament patriarchs slept with and/or passed their daughters around. Then it dawned on one of them that daughters were like cattle, hence the rules to protect bloodlines and money. It is so the guys know who the father is.

Gay marriage will be used as a wedge issue by politicians for years. It's been 60+ years since Brown v Board. Posters on this board will confirm that many will spend the family fortune to get kids into "good" schools. Schools are as segregated now as they were years ago.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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My state has already had it say and affirmed marriage as being between one man and one woman.
So what? This is a completely hypothetical situation, so why not give your input? Or is this a thinly veiled admission that you cannot answer?

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This is a state issue, not a federal one, no matter how much of a federal case the gay activists try to make it.
Youre actually quite wrong, but since this thread is not meant discuss that aspect of the issue, I'll leave it at that.
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:28 AM
 
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1-Bowel babies are not natural
2-see number one.........
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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My state has already had it say and affirmed marriage as being between one man and one woman.

This is a state issue, not a federal one, no matter how much of a federal case the gay activists try to make it.
Exactly.

Why does everyone have to make a federal case out of every little thing?
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