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Old 05-21-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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my words?

I believe you're hallucinating.

Please point out exactly where you quoted my words allegedly calling for the elimination of national defense.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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And just WHERE in #25 or anywhere else did I talk of "Not having a national defense" as you have alleged?
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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And just WHERE in #25 or anywhere else did I talk of "Not having a national defense" as you have alleged?
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Boise
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I'd agree with your assessment 100%, you can start with removing the billions given to green energy. It's just an incentive to keep producing very expensive and wasteful products instead of innovating. It's wide open to abuse by politicians using them legal ways to reward their supporters.

Having said that ultimately tax breaks benefit the consumer through lower cost products, just do away with corporate and business taxes altogether leveling the playing field. Move those taxes to a national sales tax exposing them as taxes to the consumer instead of hidden in the cost of the products they purchase.
There was a time that a nights stay in a hospital was around $15, more people owned their cars and property outright, and just about everyone could see a doctor. This was America's golden age, and the wealthiest people were taxed about 80-90 percent more than now. In contrast with wages, the price of goods and commodities is outrageous not lower priced. Now no one owns their car or their home and no one can afford to see a doctor, and by the time the bills are paid no one has any money left. Nothing at all is cheaper, and if it is it's usually just cheaper in quality.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Not having a national defense is a great liberal idea
Liberals don't want to ditch national defense, they just don't want war to be a part of the economy. Defense on the scale of America's is an indication that something is wrong within.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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When you give a corporation tax breaks and bail outs it's incentive.
But when millions Americans need food stamps, and government aid it takes away their incentive?

Assuming for a moment that half of the population of a country actually is a lazy failure, that means there is a serious problem with the country as a whole, not the individual.

Where's the logic in blaming millions upon millions of Americans of being lazy failures, instead of blaming less than a thousand people of being excessively greedy?
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Boise
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The solution is to root out waste in all of our programs.

Throwing more money at any of these programs makes no sense.

The biggest savings could be found in reforming Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Unemployment and Welfare. The taxpayer pays 3 times more for all of the above than on defense.

But, defense spending needs to be more efficient too.
I'm willing to pay more for those things because at least an American benefits from it. The last decade of "defense" has been a failure.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: FL
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Social welfare also contributes to drug habits for very many of those who receive it.
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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The problem doesn't really lie in how big or how small our defense is.

Congress is responsible for the reasons our defense costs so much.

It is the law makers that have made $100 hammers possible. Take a look sometime at why our defense contracts cost so much.

Because of our laws we don't just spend 30 times what we should for a hammer - we spend 30 times what we should for everything. Every single part in an airplane, tank etc.

It's time for some changes.



Curious?

Yes, Virginia, A $2.98 Hammer REALLY Costs Our Government $100 | Scragged
I read that article, and it's pretty clear the contractors are to blame, not congress. The supplier was charging 30x the overheard selling a hammer to the government, and supposedly the reason it got that way is because everytime a contractor found a billable loophole, congress closed it--so the contractor would find another one. Seems to me like irresponsible defense contractors.
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Old 05-22-2012, 09:21 PM
 
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I want all types of welfare eliminated.

Including UN welfare.

No entitlements unless earned such as social security.

If a compnay can't stay afloat financially, let it die.
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