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Old 05-29-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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I think we have a precedent, started from farm life, when we witnessed killing on a regular basis.

We have constructed a very demanding society for a person who wishes to be self sufficient and able to afford good health care and proactive in providing for her own retirement without relying on handouts. We really cannot afford to have kids whenever nature gives them to us.

Life is a struggle today and nature is sometimes a horrendous inconvenience that we no longer have to put up with. The flip side of this is that children who are born in these days tend to be wanted and feel security and love a lot more from their parents.

There are studies that show the crime rate dropping because there are fewer unwanted and angry young men on the streets.

On the whole, I think abortion is a good thing. Spiritual people should consider that that soul will be born, probably to another family that can give it a better home.

This is what separates us from cattle. We master more of our destiny.
The joining of one egg and one sperm is formed for all time, no going to another family like adoption. That one individual formed at the moment of conception is either allowed to live or it is killed. No other options.
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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The joining of one egg and one sperm is formed for all time, no going to another family like adoption. That one individual formed at the moment of conception is either allowed to live or it is killed. No other options.
Well, that is one way of looking at it. A materialists concept. Some spiritual people do see the situation differently, though. That's why we have freedom of choice in this country. We are allowed to run our lives through our individual values and philosophies. It's so good to live in a democracy.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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Well, that is one way of looking at it. A materialists concept. Some spiritual people do see the situation differently, though. That's why we have freedom of choice in this country. We are allowed to run our lives through our individual values and philosophies. It's so good to live in a democracy.
The way I sited is the Catholic way, a very spiritual way. You can find a marker and headstone in Catholic cemeteries acknowledging those lives of our brothers and sisters that have been cut short and a prayer to stop abortion. God will not care if we lived in a democracy when we die.
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Old 05-30-2012, 03:57 PM
 
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The way I sited is the Catholic way, a very spiritual way. You can find a marker and headstone in Catholic cemeteries acknowledging those lives of our brothers and sisters that have been cut short and a prayer to stop abortion. God will not care if we lived in a democracy when we die.
Oh. You will acknowledge that this country contains many people who are not Catholic, and they should not be governed by Catholic concepts?

You do understand that several Western countries are asking citizens to sign agreements that the law of the land trumps that of their religion? We all have to live together here, and pushing your beliefs on others is not the way to go about it in a democracy. If you don't want to acknowledge the laws of the country that you live in, you'd do better to leave for one that better suits you. You are here, taking advantage of all the freedoms that a democracy offers and yet would deprive others of their rights. Surely, you can understand how others might feel this is an evil position?

At least the Mormons and the Hindus believe we pre-existed this current body. Our connection to this body is only temporary and our spiritual lives were and are forever according to some religions.

We all probably have religious concepts that have been handed down from a more primitive time and should be put aside. God may very well have some very different ideas than we consider, of what is right and what is wrong. Religions do not agree on some things and others 'feel' just as 'right' about their religion as you do.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:00 PM
 
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Oh. You will acknowledge that this country contains many people who are not Catholic, and they should not be governed by Catholic concepts?

You do understand that several Western countries are asking citizens to sign agreements that the law of the land trumps that of their religion? We all have to live together here, and pushing your beliefs on others is not the way to go about it in a democracy. If you don't want to acknowledge the laws of the country that you live in, you'd do better to leave for one that better suits you. You are here, taking advantage of all the freedoms that a democracy offers and yet would deprive others of their rights. Surely, you can understand how others might feel this is an evil position?

At least the Mormons and the Hindus believe we pre-existed this current body. Our connection to this body is only temporary and our spiritual lives were and are forever according to some religions.

We all probably have religious concepts that have been handed down from a more primitive time and should be put aside. God may very well have some very different ideas than we consider, of what is right and what is wrong. Religions do not agree on some things and others 'feel' just as 'right' about their religion as you do.
I fear that the info you just posted is just gonna be too much for some posters to process.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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That is the reason our Democratic country has freedom of religion. People of every religion can come here and still keep their beliefs. We are free to worship as we please and also state what we believe in our everyday life. Freedom of religion is no freedom if we can't live it.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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You seem dubious that men kill women who are pregnant. See page 23 post 224 where I posted poster Janelle's list of all the killings and beatings (erroneously calling it forced abortions.)
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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That is the reason our Democratic country has freedom of religion. People of every religion can come here and still keep their beliefs. We are free to worship as we please and also state what we believe in our everyday life. Freedom of religion is no freedom if we can't live it.
Yes, but that doesnt give anyone the right to impose their belief system on another.
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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That is the reason our Democratic country has freedom of religion. People of every religion can come here and still keep their beliefs. We are free to worship as we please and also state what we believe in our everyday life. Freedom of religion is no freedom if we can't live it.
NO one is is trying to stop you from living your religion!

NO ONE!

So why are you trying to force others to discard what they believe in????
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Old 05-30-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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That is the reason our Democratic country has freedom of religion. People of every religion can come here and still keep their beliefs. We are free to worship as we please and also state what we believe in our everyday life. Freedom of religion is no freedom if we can't live it.
I truly respect your right to express yourself. I recognize that you think your position is valid. I don't think, though, that laws should be made respecting but one religious viewpoint in a democracy. I would expect that members of a religion would honor those of differing views by not trying to impose their personal religious beliefs on others.

This is not a theocracy. You cannot govern a multi cultural/religious country by narrowing the scope of the law to please just one segment.
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