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Thats fine! Why can't gay people admit this and stop the argument that they have no choice? If people want to be treated well then they need to follow the golden rule themselves.
That's completely not what I said. I had a feeling my words would be twisted. Shouldn't have said anything.
OMG..now you are an expect on the rules of membership in the Gay community? You Peter are now an OUTCAST...you have been voted OFF the Island! LOL
Do I really have to explain the whole fluid and complexity thing AGAIN?
You have straights to the right, and Gays to the left. You wanted to bring in Ellen's ex and the whole Bi-Sexual thing to discredit the Gay community. You were trying to prove somehow that Gays do have a choice. It's like OMG. If a person has self identified as GAY, you can safely BET, that they are GAY, and not trying to experiment or still "figuring it out" or whatever you want to call it.
It boils down to people who - regardless who they may like to sleep with for sexuality gratification whenever they do - identify as being Gay, and are in a COMMITTED relationship with a person of the same sex, should have the RIGHT to marry that partner. Just like people who IDENTIFY and LABEL themselves Straight - regardless who turns them on sexually - has the right to marry their partner of choice of the opposite sex.
Get it?
no, I don't get it! I thought that the argument was that gays were only attracted to gays, and that was it. Now you're saying that people have the choice to sleep around with whoever they want.
YES... people do indeed have a choice of who they sleep with! Pedophiles, prostitutes, adulterers, etc. They all choose to sleep around. AND, they are all sinners for doing so. Wouldn't you agree?
How many gays do you really think fall into the committed monogomous relationship that you described? 10%? Now, how many fall into this category when you factor in bisexuals and transgendered people? Go ahead and take a guess... If you answer that question honestly then you will see the problem with the gay rights groups.
Most people would not advocate for anyone who is non-committed to get married. But, we have a huge percent of LBGT people who fall into that category.
People who are "ex-gay" are either bisexual or straight people who were genuinely confused about their sexuality, and were never truly gay to begin with. But there are plenty of people, regardless of their actual natural orientation, that are walking around, confused about their sexuality. Just because sexuality is complex does not mean that it is a choice. Someone who is straight has no choice to be straight, and even if they think they are gay for awhile, they will realize sooner or later that they are indeed straight. The same is true of any gay people that think are straight, or sexual people that think they are asexual, or bisexuals who think they are gay or straight, etc. It does not mean that being gay/straight/bi etc. is a choice--it just means that sometimes people do go through a period where they aren't sure of their sexual orientation. This happens to people of all sexual orientations, but eventually they come around and realize they have no choice but to be the orientation that they are naturally. Whether they admit this to the world or not is an entirely different matter, but none of us have a choice in being the sexual orientation that we are innately.
I think you might find that it will be the 'righties' in their tighty whities whose heads will explode.
Seems like there's a contest over who's heads will explode more, lefties or righties. There would be enough exploding throughout the political spectrum to keep them all ducking for cover.
Go back and read what you posted. I can't read minds.
Did you see where I posted "This does not explain all cases of homosexuality by any means"? You jumped to the conclusion that I was explaining away all homosexuality as a "choice", which is completely not what I said. Gay people never have a choice in being gay. Rarely, straight people get confused about their sexuality and think they're gay, but they're not truly gay any more than a gay person is truly straight, and again this is rare, but it's one of the man explanations behind how someone can appear to be "ex-gay".
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