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Old 06-23-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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Especially since fast and furious started under the Bush administration in 2006.





ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dude, "stimulus" (snickers) went to Fat & Flubberous. What part of that is so hard to understand (except that none of it has anything to do with stimulating the American economy)?
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Obviously you didn't read this. You really should.

If you had, you would know some very fundamental differences in the operations, number one being that Mexican authorities were involved in Bush's program but not in Obama's. You should note that one of the reasons the program was ENDED under Bush was that the Mexican authorities were losing track of the guns.

Under Obama, Mexican authorities weren't even part of the equation. Do you see a difference there? These guns weren't crossing state lines, they were crossing a soverign border without permission. Do you see a difference?

The article was written showing very distinct differences and showed when one ended and another started. They are not the same! You should read your own links. And Wiki? Can't any one post on there? Looks to me like it was just updated today.

These are THE VERY REASONS this needs to move forward. This administration took a failed program and made it worse. If it isn't investigated will it come back again under a different name?
Pretty much the same operation under Bush's administration, just a different name.

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Documents turned over to investigators is that they reference a little-known ATF operation called “Operation Wide Receiver”, which just like “Fast and Furious,” let guns “walk” to Mexico.
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The operation, run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 — when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show — and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed.
‘Operation Wide Receiver’: The Bush Administration Had Its Very Own ATF ‘Gun Walking’ Scandal | TPMMuckraker
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Pa
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No but as a former soldier I know what the consequences are for leaking classified information... Justice needs to harsh and swift...
Now that would all depend on what it was and if the information was in reference to laws being violated etc. UCMJ we can not be compelled to follow unlawful orders. True it is a slippery slope, however I would hope todays soldiers would have the spine to report violations and if superiors failed to act to then let it be known.
Justice for a traitor to be sure. For example the Walkers.
For someone leaking that the DOJ is supplying guns illegally to bad people? That needs to be blown wide open.

What if Waco wasn't the media circus that it was. That fiasco was wrong begining to end, As was Ruby Ridge.

What if cops never tell when they see other cops are dirty? What if they are ordered to saty quiet?
When and where do we draw the line my friend? Shabazz we disagree often but always respectfully... My loyalty is to my country, our constitution. Never to the politicians they simply are unworthy.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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I hope Mexico wants to prosecute him for international crime and murder. Let him rot in jail there.
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Old 06-23-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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Pretty much the same operation under Bush's administration, just a different name.



‘Operation Wide Receiver’: The Bush Administration Had Its Very Own ATF ‘Gun Walking’ Scandal | TPMMuckraker

GIVE IT UP!!!!

Bush's operation was in cooperation with the Mexican government!!!! They, the Mexican government, couldn't track the guns and lost them. The program was scrapped because guns were being lost!

Under Obama's program, which is a totally different program as you just stated, it was behind the backs of Mexican authorities!

If you are watching Yogi Bear and it ends and you start watch Roadrunner are you still watching the same program because they both come on Cartoon network?
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Old 06-24-2012, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Especially since fast and furious started under the Bush administration in 2006.
No, it didn't.
The Difference Between Wide Receiver & Fast And Furious
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:47 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
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Mole helps Rep. Issa whack Justice Dept. - TheHill.com

Let me get this straight. Holder is actually thinking of prosecuting the mole who was leaking info to investigators about Fast/Furious?!?!

Holder refuses to answer and cooperate truthfully.

He refused to prosecute Black Panthers in 2008

He doesnt seem to care about finding out who is leaking secrets from this WH.

Yet he wants to prosecute this mole?

Yet another one of those "it must be a joke" but it isnt.
He already prosecuted him, he thought his name was Roger Clemons. Oops
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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Default The biggest scandal in U.S. history

Ann Coulter: The biggest scandal in U.S. history

Ann Coulter---

"Democrats will never stop trying to take our guns away. They see something more lethal than a salad shooter and wet themselves."
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