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Old 06-10-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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I don't want to be taken wrong here. I am not against firefighters, cops or teachers. But the voters have made it very clear this week that the lavish benefits that public sector workers get are now going to start getting put in line with the taxpayers that have to toil in the real world. The taxpayers are tapped out and cannot afford anymore of it. This is not only evident in the Wisconsin results but in the less covered referendums in San Jose and San Diego that slashed pension benefits for public employees big time. I think the politics of resentment and envy have finally caught up with public employees. The taxpayers that have to work in the real world are tired of things like pensions that pay 90% after 25 years. Not when private sector workers do not even have pensions. They have 401K plans that the employer MAY contribute to or may not. Oh, and then the private sector employees MIGHT get New Years Day, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas off IF they are lucky. Many people get only the 2 major USA holidays off (Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day). NOBODY in the private sector gets MLK day, Good Friday, Veterans Day, Pulaski Day, Presidents Day and Columbus Day off. It is time to end these days off for public employees or mandate private employees get them too. Not only do private sector employees not get these days off, they often are forced to find care for young kids while school teachers are out having fun on those days. And speaking of school teachers, why do they think they should work only 8 months a year and get paid for 12 plus 100% health care and a lavish pension?? It time for public employees to start living in the real world where the people that pay their salaries and benefits live.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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The next Ronald Reagan is beginning to make his presence known; his name is Scott Walker.

Lead on Wisconsin!
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I don't want to be taken wrong here. I am not against firefighters, cops or teachers. But the voters have made it very clear this week that the lavish benefits that public sector workers get are now going to start getting put in line with the taxpayers that have to toil in the real world. The taxpayers are tapped out and cannot afford anymore of it. This is not only evident in the Wisconsin results but in the less covered referendums in San Jose and San Diego that slashed pension benefits for public employees big time. I think the politics of resentment and envy have finally caught up with public employees. The taxpayers that have to work in the real world are tired of things like pensions that pay 90% after 25 years. Not when private sector workers do not even have pensions. They have 401K plans that the employer MAY contribute to or may not. Oh, and then the private sector employees MIGHT get New Years Day, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas off IF they are lucky. Many people get only the 2 major USA holidays off (Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day). NOBODY in the private sector gets MLK day, Good Friday, Veterans Day, Pulaski Day, Presidents Day and Columbus Day off. It is time to end these days off for public employees or mandate private employees get them too. Not only do private sector employees not get these days off, they often are forced to find care for young kids while school teachers are out having fun on those days. And speaking of school teachers, why do they think they should work only 8 months a year and get paid for 12 plus 100% health care and a lavish pension?? It time for public employees to start living in the real world where the people that pay their salaries and benefits live.
I don't want to disagree with you Rick but during my public school teaching days I found the state requiring that we take a certain number of hours of school every 5 years to renew our certificates. That meant that if I had to teach every month of the year I had to have about 2 months each 5th year off.

Also, all that 9 or 10 month school thing started in the early days when most kids were parts of farm families and needed to work during the summer. It got to be habit in time.

Are banks part of the private sector? If so maybe you need to check out how many of those holidays they take off because the hated Federal Reserve System takes them off.

Those days of going back to school don't seem like a lot of fun to me when you get to be in the 50s. My last time of that summer school was when I was 53 and I had to work hard just to keep up.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:21 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I don't want to be taken wrong here. I am not against firefighters, cops or teachers. But the voters have made it very clear this week that the lavish benefits that public sector workers get are now going to start getting put in line with the taxpayers that have to toil in the real world. The taxpayers are tapped out and cannot afford anymore of it. This is not only evident in the Wisconsin results but in the less covered referendums in San Jose and San Diego that slashed pension benefits for public employees big time. I think the politics of resentment and envy have finally caught up with public employees. The taxpayers that have to work in the real world are tired of things like pensions that pay 90% after 25 years. Not when private sector workers do not even have pensions. They have 401K plans that the employer MAY contribute to or may not. Oh, and then the private sector employees MIGHT get New Years Day, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas off IF they are lucky. Many people get only the 2 major USA holidays off (Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day). NOBODY in the private sector gets MLK day, Good Friday, Veterans Day, Pulaski Day, Presidents Day and Columbus Day off. It is time to end these days off for public employees or mandate private employees get them too. Not only do private sector employees not get these days off, they often are forced to find care for young kids while school teachers are out having fun on those days. And speaking of school teachers, why do they think they should work only 8 months a year and get paid for 12 plus 100% health care and a lavish pension?? It time for public employees to start living in the real world where the people that pay their salaries and benefits live.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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Meh...i aint got nothing against people in the public sector getting generous benefits. If i don't like it, then i should seek a job with comparable benefits, not complain about others getting them.

Americans always want someone else to get screwed just because they aren't getting what the next man is getting. Public sector employees in my state have great bennies...but they aren't paid worth a crap IMO.

Jealousy...it's a hoot.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:31 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Tuesday was just a small sample of the decades to come. The costs of government on the private sector is now a math problem. With no solution other than massive cost-cutting.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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When someone is getting paid with my confiscated tax dollars, I'd like to have a say in what their benefits/pay are and rest assured I won't want them to be better than mine.
If you are that employee and don't like the scrutiny, well that's too bad, find yourself a gig in the private sector and earn it and then it will be none of my biz.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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Americans always want someone else to get screwed just because they aren't getting what the next man is getting. Public sector employees in my state have great bennies...but they aren't paid worth a crap IMO.

Jealousy...it's a hoot.
You don't have to support any part of the private sector; you can take your business elsewhere. However, you do have to support the public sector. Government is an entity of force and WILL take your money. The taxpayers do however have a say in how that money is spent.

They had their say last Tuesday.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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I don't want to be taken wrong here. I am not against firefighters, cops or teachers. But the voters have made it very clear this week that the lavish benefits that public sector workers get are now going to start getting put in line with the taxpayers that have to toil in the real world. The taxpayers are tapped out and cannot afford anymore of it.

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Yep, having wars, paying corporate & foreign aid is fun, but it prevents paying your own way with your own people.
This is not only evident in the Wisconsin results but in the less covered referendums in San Jose and San Diego that slashed pension benefits for public employees big time. I think the politics of resentment and envy have finally caught up with public employees.

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Yeah, those poor city citizens will just have to get along with less service. Both could hire green card Mexicans and others who would work for minimum wages at no skill level.
The taxpayers that have to work in the real world are tired of things like pensions that pay 90% after 25 years. Not when private sector workers do not even have pensions. They have 401K plans that the employer MAY contribute to or may not.

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Well of course! Americans don't deserve high wages or benefits. How can the corporation make any money? In fact, I think the private sector should give up 35% of their wages to the corporation they work for, and let the corporation use that money to hire more workers and create more tax payers.

Oh, and then the private sector employees MIGHT get New Years Day, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and Christmas off IF they are lucky. Many people get only the 2 major USA holidays off (Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day). NOBODY in the private sector gets MLK day, Good Friday, Veterans Day, Pulaski Day, Presidents Day and Columbus Day off. It is time to end these days off for public employees or mandate private employees get them too. Not only do private sector employees not get these days off, they often are forced to find care for young kids while school teachers are out having fun on those days.

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Why do we allow holidays anyway? That is completely unproductive in hard economic times like we are facing. Socialists deserve holidays, but American workers deserve to be digging thier country out fo the hole it is in. I suggest the pay from these old worn out holidays wages be divided between the employer and the government. Heck, it just one day anyway.
And speaking of school teachers, why do they think they should work only 8 months a year and get paid for 12 plus 100% health care and a lavish pension?? It time for public employees to start living in the real world where the people that pay their salaries and benefits live.
Boy I agree, parents work all year long and need babysitters. I think we should extend the school hours to 12 a day and shove some knowledge between these kids ears.

We should also cut the courses offered to language, mathematics and science. That is all Japan gives their students.

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Old 06-12-2012, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Boy I agree, parents work all year long and need babysitters. I think we should extend the school hours to 12 a day and shove some knowledge between these kids ears.

We should also cut the courses offered to language, mathematics and science. That is all Japan gives their students.
Japan is in big trouble and has been for a long time. Their flagship companies have lost their leadership to the Koreans and Taiwan. Their birth rate is almost negative. There is little economic growth. More young adults than ever live at home with their parents.

Why do we want to do what Japan does?
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