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Old 06-17-2012, 06:05 AM
 
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There are about two million American fathers in prison today. The great majority of them for non-violent crimes. Two million men who, in any of the civilized countries of the world, would be at home with their children. Your culture, your society, with your democratic consent, are keeping the fathers of two million children behind bars, where they cannot hug their children or talk to them or take them fishing or play ball with them or give them financial support.

Most of these men never even got a fair trial. 98% of all incarcerations are plea bargained, where these fathers face a choice of a year or two in prison without a trial, or taking their chances on five or ten or twenty before a jury with a sleeping public defender tapping his watch. Fathers who are not any danger at all to society, accused of non-violent crimes.

An American father is more likely to be in prison than a North Korean father. Ten times more likely than a Norwegian or Swedish father. Twenty times more likely than a Nigerian or an Indian father. The entire nation of Iceland has only 150 people behind bars, yet the streets are safer than any town in America. One out of five incarcerated Americans haven't even seen the judge yet, and are in jail because they can't make bail, but "presumed innocent".

In a democratic society, it is only your fault they are incarcerated and only you can set them free. This burden is on your shoulders, and yours alone.

Wouldn't Father's Day be a good day to resolve to stop this insanity?

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Old 06-17-2012, 06:10 AM
 
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There are about two million American fathers in prison today. The great majority of them for non-violent crimes. Two million men who, in any of the civilized countries of the world, would be at home with their children. Your culture, your society, with your democratic consent, are keeping the fathers of two million children behind bars, where they cannot hug their children or talk to them or give them financial support.

Most of these men never even got a fair trial. 98% of all incarcerations are plea bargainsd, where these fathers face a choice of a year or two in prison without a trial, or taking their chances on five or ten or twenty before a jury with a sleeping public defender tapping his watch. Fathers who are not any danger at all to society, accused of non-violent crimes.

An American father is more likely to be in prison than a North Korean father. Ten times more likely than a Norwegian father.

In a democratic society, it is only your fault they are incarcerated and only you can set them free.

Wouldn't Father's Day be a good day to resolve to stop this insanity?
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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In a democratic society, it is only your fault they are incarcerated and only you can set them free. This burden is on your shoulders, and yours alone.

Wouldn't Father's Day be a good day to resolve to stop this insanity?
It is not my fault they are incarcerated and I will not take the burden on my shoulders. This is what I have done and am willing to do However I don't think this thread belongs in parenting forum but in debates or politics

1) I have taught my children not to do drugs, not to drink while driving and not to take property which does not belong to them, to respect the rights of others, etc. I have lived my life by example but I cannot guarantee they will always make the best choices. They have also been taught there are consequences to breaking the rules.

2) i give regularly to various Innocence Projects to help free those who are truly innocent.

And to compare North Korea to USA in anything is ridiculous. Is that really a comparison you are wanting to put out there?
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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Moving from the Parenting forum.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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And to compare North Korea to USA in anything is ridiculous. Is that really a comparison you are wanting to put out there?
The truth doesn't frighten me, and I do not cower in terror at the thought it might raise its ugly head.

By the way, I'm sorry I offended people by suggesting that the alienation of two million American fathers from their families is an issue that might be of interest in a Parenting Forum.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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The penalties for drug use need to come down that's for sure. Who in their right mind would break up a family to send a parent to jail for drug use? That's so wrong on so many levels. It's far more harmful to the parent and his family to have the Father imprisoned. If you hope to bring down drug use, decriminalize it, and educated people. This has met with enormous success in Portugal most recently.

Great Glenn Greenwald article that discusses this drug policy fiasco of jailing hundreds of thousands of Fathers for drug use.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/08/stev...d_drug_policy/
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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The truth doesn't frighten me, and I do not cower in terror at the thought it might raise its ugly head.

By the way, I'm sorry I offended people by suggesting that the alienation of two million American fathers from their families is an issue that might be of interest in a Parenting Forum.
Maybe they should not be committing crimes then huh?
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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don't do the crime if you can't do the time........
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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The truth doesn't frighten me, and I do not cower in terror at the thought it might raise its ugly head.

By the way, I'm sorry I offended people by suggesting that the alienation of two million American fathers from their families is an issue that might be of interest in a Parenting Forum.
Maybe if your going to be political then you need to point out the fathers who should not be celebrated on this day. Those you do not act as a father in support what they brought into this world. Perhaps they needed to think of their children before actually committing those crime because likely if they are in prison they didn't get there on first offense. You work your way to prison as is said in legal circles by repeated offenses other than every serious crimes. Many Children are better off without many of these bums around ;putting it bluntly.
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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Maybe if your going to be political then you need to point out the fathers who should not be celebrated on this day. Those you do not act as a father in support what they brought into this world. Perhaps they needed to think of their children before actually committing those crime because likely if they are in prison they didn't get there on first offense. You work your way to prison as is said in legal circles by repeated offenses other than every serious crimes. Many Children are better off without many of these bums around ;putting it bluntly.
Why don't you read the link I posted here and see if you can come down off your high horse..... Mr. "I obey 100% of laws, 100% the time"
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