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Old 06-30-2012, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Roberts is only one Justice, one out of nine. His opinion that a penalty is a tax is a minority OPINION.
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Oh boy....

That pesky thing called the "Constitution" always getting in the way....
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Old 06-30-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This is identical to what I was thinking when it was passed as a tax.. it must go back and be passed as a tax. The supreme court does not have the function nor the power to pass a tax on the american people.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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The majority of people - on both sides of this issue - believe that the SCOTUS ruling ends the Obamacare issue. In reality, it does anything but. About the only thing Roberts did was say, in effect, "This isn't our problem," and washed his hands of it.

So it's back to Congress...
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Roberts is only one Justice, one out of nine. His opinion that a penalty is a tax is a minority OPINION.
It was his deciding vote that turned it into a tax. Obama's lawyers stated it was a tax.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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This is identical to what I was thinking when it was passed as a tax.. it must go back and be passed as a tax. The supreme court does not have the function nor the power to pass a tax on the american people.
Nor does the senate and the O'Care originated in the senate.

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The majority of people - on both sides of this issue - believe that the SCOTUS ruling ends the Obamacare issue. In reality, it does anything but. About the only thing Roberts did was say, in effect, "This isn't our problem," and washed his hands of it.

So it's back to Congress...
Pretty much. He's probably sitting in Malta shaking his head.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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Roberts is only one Justice, one out of nine. His opinion that a penalty is a tax is a minority OPINION.
Excuse me, he is the Chief Justice, and his opinions as you call it become LAW.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Man. Look at the right-wingers twisting themselves into pretzels to try to figure out how to get rid of this law.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Article I, Section 7 (from house.gov):

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Clause 1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Now, according to the records in the Library of Congress, H.R.3590 (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act), originated in the House of Representatives (from Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - H.R.3590 - All Congressional Actions with Amendments - THOMAS (Library of Congress)):

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9/17/2009:Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.

10/7/2009 2:35pm:
Mr. Blumenauer moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill.

10/7/2009 2:35pm:
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H10550-10554)

10/7/2009 2:35pm:DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H.R. 3590.

10/7/2009 3:02pm:
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.

10/8/2009 12:08pm:
Considered as unfinished business. (consideration: CR H11126-11127)

10/8/2009 12:15pm:
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 416 - 0 (Roll no. 768). (text: CR 10/7/2009 H10550)

10/8/2009 12:15pm:Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.

10/8/2009:Received in the Senate. Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.
The record above shows the bill was received on 9/17/2009 in the HoR, and was received in the Senate on 10/8/2009.

Now, I don't know if there is another definition that can be used for "originate" in this context, but it looks like it started or originated in the HoR.

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Old 06-30-2012, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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This is identical to what I was thinking when it was passed as a tax.. it must go back and be passed as a tax. The supreme court does not have the function nor the power to pass a tax on the american people.
All you great legal minds think alike. Why don't you shoot Roberts a text about this, since your legal knowledge is obviously greater than his?
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