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Ancient Greece, I don't think so. Ancient Rome - sure. Two Emperors even got gay married in public ceremonies. Marriage to members of the same sex was banned in Rome by Constantius II (the 2nd Christian Emperor) in 342: he ordered people in such marriages be put to death.
Not sure what this has to do with civil marriage and equal treatment under US laws as required by our Constitution.
There was no same sex marriage in Rome. Show me the source of your knowledge
And you guys don't fall under traditional definitiinof marriage in Western culture, neither do polygamists. I can't marry my own mother even if I wanted but it has nothing to do with equality or discrimination, neither does so called same-sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is a travesty...
There was no same sex marriage in Rome. Show me the source of your knowledge
And you guys don't fall under traditional definitiinof marriage in Western culture, neither do polygamists. I can't marry my own mother even if I wanted but it has nothing to do with equality or discrimination.
So what? What does that have to do with our 14th Amendment and our civil, secular laws?
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How about defining what those are for a change? Put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) and actually quantify what exactly are these "sacred" and "mythical" values you cherish so much?
You demand homosexuals justify their life style with reasons and data. Well it's put up or shut up time - justify your stance and reasons by telling us what traditional family values are for once.
I have seen a lot of biased "pseudoscientific" work in my life. One more book is not going to make a difference. Neither in Roman or Greek tradition. Neither in later Christian tradition. Same sex marriage was never part of our tradition no matter what quacks with an agenda will try to tell us.
Same sex was never part of mainstream social life in any significant culture.
Same sex marriage goes against self preservation if the human kind as a species.
How about defining what those are for a change? Put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) and actually quantify what exactly are these "sacred" and "mythical" values you cherish so much?
You demand homosexuals justify their life style with reasons and data. Well it's put up or shut up time - justify your stance and reasons by telling us what traditional family values are for once.
Shouldn't be difficult at all, right?
We don't have to, we are not the ones looking to change the status quo, to change the tradition.
How about defining what those are for a change? Put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) and actually quantify what exactly are these "sacred" and "mythical" values you cherish so much?
Intolerance?
It would explain everything! Families are often more intolerant of those outside of the family than of family members; hence, intolerance would be a "family value". It is also tradition for people to be intolerant of others who are different. Hence, a "traditional value". And I would concede even without them providing evidence (which, of course, they are averse to) that homosexuals generally aren't the leaders in intolerance. They are sooooo falling behind on this sacred family value
Both highly praised and intensely controversial, this brilliant book produces dramatic evidence that at one time the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches not only sanctioned unions between partners of the same sex, but sanctified them--in ceremonies strikingly similar to heterosexual marriage ceremonies.
so this is not really saying anything - just a brief summary of what the book is about, and even that says it is highly controversial.
have you actually read this book, and can you provide more detail?
quite likely that the author is homoxexual too, so no doubt biased.
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