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Old 05-24-2012, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Half of Detroit goes dark.
Detroit, whose 139 square miles contain 60 percent fewer residents than in 1950, will try to nudge them into a smaller living space by eliminating almost half its streetlights.

Half of Detroit

“You have to identify those neighborhoods where you want to concentrate your population,” said Chris Brown, Detroit’s chief operating officer. “We’re not going to light distressed areas like we light other areas.”

Detroit’s dwindling income and property-tax revenue have required residents to endure unreliable buses and strained police services throughout the city. Because streetlights are basic to urban life, deciding what areas to illuminate will reshape the city, said Kirk Cheyfitz, co-founder of a project called Detroit143 -- named for the 139 square miles of land, plus water -- that publicizes neighborhood issues.

Other U.S. cities have gone partially dark to save money, among them Colorado Springs; Santa Rosa, California; and Rockford, Illinois. Detroit’s plan goes further: It would leave sparsely populated swaths unlit in a community of 713,000 that covers more area than Boston, Buffalo and San Franciscocombined. Vacant property and parks account for 37 square miles (96 square kilometers), according to city planners.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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The future holds for smaller, more concentrated housing, no more living room and fewer bedrooms. Who needs a yard, it just wastes water, right?

Other things that make up the home of 2015? No more living room. According to the survey, 52 percent of builders expect the living room to merge with other spaces and 30 percent believe that it will vanish completely to save on square footage. Instead, expect to see great rooms — a space that combines the family and living room and flows into the kitchen.
The Enlightened Conservative: Agenda 21 Right On Track
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:47 AM
 
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I am against the UN entirely. I hate the idea of social engineering that liberals and the UN are forcing on us....

that being said, I have never understood the need for that formal living room in the front of big houses.

the space is better off being put in other areas like the actual living room where everyone goes.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Earth
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The future holds for smaller, more concentrated housing, no more living room and fewer bedrooms. Who needs a yard, it just wastes water, right?

Other things that make up the home of 2015? No more living room. According to the survey, 52 percent of builders expect the living room to merge with other spaces and 30 percent believe that it will vanish completely to save on square footage. Instead, expect to see great rooms — a space that combines the family and living room and flows into the kitchen.
The Enlightened Conservative: Agenda 21 Right On Track
Sounds more like the free market in operation.
Getting the maximum amount of profit from limited resources while supplying consumers with the largest number of goods and at the same time widening the market.
I didn't realize the (non-binding) Agenda 21 encouraged the type of capitalism that made America great and under which America can recover to flourish again.
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The future holds for smaller, more concentrated housing, no more living room and fewer bedrooms. Who needs a yard, it just wastes water, right?

Other things that make up the home of 2015? No more living room. According to the survey, 52 percent of builders expect the living room to merge with other spaces and 30 percent believe that it will vanish completely to save on square footage. Instead, expect to see great rooms — a space that combines the family and living room and flows into the kitchen.
The Enlightened Conservative: Agenda 21 Right On Track
Whatsamatta? Don't you want to go back to the one-room log cabins that our esteemed ancestors lived in while they were settling this country?

Shame on you!
Not very conservative, are ya?
LOL

Other than my comment, I don't get what your beef is ...?
You go right ahead and build or purchase that six-bedroom, eight bath mansion with 10 immaculately groomed acres that will never be trod upon except by the landscaper...feel good! No one is stopping you!
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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So you conservatives who are all in favor of local decision making somehow think that an impoverished local government deciding to conserve its resources is evidence of the evil hand of the United Nations?

Are you volunteering to pay Detroit to keep all the lights burning on all the streets, even the ones that don't have any residents left?
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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I'm not certain what is happening in Detroit can be blamed on Agenda 21.

The city is bankrupt and property taxes are no longer bringing in enough money to sustain city services, street lighting being one of them. It takes utility employees, parts, and money to keep those street lights going. In areas which are barely populated now compared to when Detroit actually had an economy, it just doesn't make sense to put the city further down the road into debt rather than concentrating services where they are needed by the largest segments of population.

I would suggest that since vacant property and parks take up so much space in Detroit (according to the OP's linked story), perhaps the city would be better off beginning to farm some of that land, plant orchards of fruit and nut trees, block after block of vegetable plots, swaths of berry bushes, dig ponds for raising talapia. Ultimately feed the people who are on food stamps by making the city sustainable from the crumbling core. The able-bodied unemployed can get out there and contribute to their own upkeep and feeding.

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Old 05-24-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I thought Detroit was being run by a state appointed prince that has near absolute power. Or is that reserved for the mostly black cities?.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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I thought Detroit was being run by a state appointed prince that has near absolute power. Or is that reserved for the mostly black cities?.

No, detroit is being run by the wild bears now.
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Old 05-24-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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They're so cute those tiny houses.

I don't think it would be practical for people with children.

Tumbleweed Tiny House Company
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