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Old 07-15-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Jet fuel is barely different than Kerosene, with less refining than Gasoline.
The additives keep it from freezing, or boiling, like Av Gas
The question how will the biomass mixed with the fuel effect the engine's systems? What purification proceedures and testing methods will ship's crew (the grape shirts) have to perform that is different from current fuel? How will it react to being stored in tanks (ship's and plane's)? Will it develop harmful moisture/water? And will it result in lower flying distance/time per tank like what happens with E85 in cars and trucks? If it does burn off faster, then it's cost to taxpayers is even higher than it's initial cost.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: The Old Dominion
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It's a reasonable proxy for military efficiency in general.

The War Department is so used to having money thrown at them that they have to be creative.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Another question to ask is if it will effect the current fuel seals on jets and existing JP5 pumps. Things like that won't happen right away. But through repeated use, if something isn't right it could result in leaking fuel seals which is a safety hazard to the crew and pilot. A fire in the JP5 pump room is serious business.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Yeah, I run over to the regular petrol station for jet fuel.
JP-8 is not regular petrol.
Sheesh, talk about faux outrage.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yeah, I run over to the regular petrol station for jet fuel.
JP-8 is not regular petrol.
Sheesh, talk about faux outrage.


I can run JP-8 in my Cummins and get the same performance.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:35 PM
 
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Another question to ask is if it will effect the current fuel seals on jets and existing JP5 pumps. Things like that won't happen right away. But through repeated use, if something isn't right it could result in leaking fuel seals which is a safety hazard to the crew and pilot. A fire in the JP5 pump room is serious business.
I suppose that's the reason for establishing a test program looking for a mil-spec fuel that isn't on the market. Thousands of years ago, or at least it seems, the last thing that I would have wanted to worry about while being lowered to ship to medivac some crewman off of a tanker in 30 foot seas was whether or not the fuel was going to knock out the engine in a H3 much less an H52.

But like I said, these are strange times where a liberal defends spending by the defense department. Of course it makes me wonder what the conversation would read like if the DOD bought some off the shelf fuel that resulted in the death of a flight crew.

These are truly strange times.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No we're not. That's "free money" that Bernanke is printing. That's not OUR money..no siree, that's FREE MONEY that we get from Bernanke.


(sarcasm pointed out here because some may think I'm really serious with this post)
Many people think it is free money because they never paid taxes and they sponge off the government.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Along with the $59 gal fuel, the EPA is forcing shipping companies and cruise lines to use low sulphur fuels in ships that operate within 200 miles of the coast. This before the requirement has been voted on a treaty that needs 67 votes in the Senate. The Shipping companies and Alaska are suing the EPA to stop an 8% increase in fuel costs.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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And the DOD uses 360000 barrels a day. Talk about a waste of resources.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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We are also paying for the $59 fuel and all Obama's trips to his fundraisers.
Money well spent.
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