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Old 07-22-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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No. You don't reward bad behavior.
And I keep hearing that the U.S. is a capitalist country, not the Schoolmarm of the World

 
Old 07-22-2012, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Vladimir Putin's idea of a good deal is what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too. How do think Russia got control of the Eurasian Heartland in the first place. It wasn't by looking out for the other guy or being buddy buddy. Mr Putin doesn't smile and the knife doesn't hurt when it first goes in!
 
Old 07-22-2012, 09:22 PM
 
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At this point, there has to be some form of consolidation with Russia. The arms sales are meaningless. They are selling archaic, obsolete technology. Compared to the Russians, it might as well be from the stone age.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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You may want to go to the USAID website and see how much the US gives to Russia in assitance.

http://moscow.usembassy.gov/usaid.html
 
Old 07-23-2012, 05:15 PM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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No. You don't reward bad behavior. They have invaded Georgia,threatened Poland and other allies in eastern and Central Europe. They have continued to ally themselves with Syria and Iran,even as Iran is building nukes. They have killed their own journalists and others who speak out and try to uncover corruption. No. We were wrong to think opening up trade to China would change them. It hasn't. Won't change Russia either.
They did not "invade Georgia", Georgia invaded South Ossetia which killed many Russian peacekeepers in the area. This is what Russia responded to.

What do you want to 'change' about Russia?
 
Old 07-23-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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Vladimir Putin's idea of a good deal is what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too. How do think Russia got control of the Eurasian Heartland in the first place. It wasn't by looking out for the other guy or being buddy buddy. Mr Putin doesn't smile and the knife doesn't hurt when it first goes in!
Are there any countries with this foreign policy?
 
Old 07-23-2012, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Are there any countries with this foreign policy?


I'd suggest Denmark.
 
Old 07-23-2012, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If we can trade with the Chinese I am certain we can trade with the Russians.


China is still ruled by Communists.

Russia is ruled by a Tsar



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Old 07-24-2012, 12:23 AM
 
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You may want to go to the USAID website and see how much the US gives to Russia in assitance.

http://moscow.usembassy.gov/usaid.html
It's not aid, but sabotage and an attempt (completely miserable) to instill a "color revolution".
 
Old 07-24-2012, 12:28 AM
 
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They already are and those concerns about Meduim-size business being unable to compete from cheaper imports means Wallmart is coming soon and they just joined the fun that we all have been having
There are already Russian and European "Wallmarts" here. Everything else is also available.

U.S. and EU didn't want Russia in WTO, because they were afraid of Russia's cheap labor. Recently they noticed that labor here is very expensive (Russian Fords and other cars cost 5-10% more than in U.S. and EU).

If Russia somehow manages to mitigate that - it may flood the world with its products (industrial equipment primarilly). Otherwise... better for us to avoid this...
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