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Old 07-29-2012, 12:00 AM
 
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And if we removed illegals from the picture, about $5 an hour.

With illegals removed, that $5 an hour would be a tad more tolerable to live on, as rents would fall somewhat.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:17 AM
 
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Do you support this legislation?

The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2012 | Democrats -Committee on Education and the Workforce, U.S. House of Representatives

It would raise the federal minimum from 7.25 to 9.80 over 3 years and tie it to inflation. It would raise and set the federal minimum wage for tipped workers to 70% of the standard minimum wage.

This leglislation doesn't appear to be before congress, yet.

Will it be used to garner votes in anyway possible, by throwing low-wage folks a bone, strategically during election year? Yes, I'm aware not many folks actually make minimum wage, but a whole lot more folks do make less than $9.80. And tipped workers would see their minimum wage roughly double. This legislation could draw a lot of attention and a lot of votes for Democrats.

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It is a start, but what I support is a minimum wage raise to $10/hr indexed to inflation.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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It is a start, but what I support is a minimum wage raise to $10/hr indexed to inflation.
$9.80 is almost $10. It wouldn't surprise me if the people who crafted this bill actually stayed barely below $10 to avoid the psychological/perceptual difference a double-digit would carry. Little things like that do matter when trying to garner as much support for something as possible.
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Old 07-29-2012, 12:45 AM
 
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With illegals removed, that $5 an hour would be a tad more tolerable to live on, as rents would fall somewhat.
"Somewhat" isn't enough. You'd have to cut rent and housing in half to afford that kind of pay.
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:25 AM
 
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If that's $15/hr to flip burgers because burger flippers are in high demand then that's what the market bares. If it's $.30/hr to flip burgers because the massive number of burger flippers then that's what the market will bare and it's exactly where it should be.
but how could anyone actually live off $0.30/hr?

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It doesn't really matter though because all roads lead to the same place and that's a reduction in disposable income. The only real difference is with a higher minimum wage you'll have less people working and being productive. The available money gets shifted to those with the best qualifications. The higher the minimum wage the worse off the sharing of jobs will be.
and what qualifications does one need exactly for burger flipping?
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:28 AM
 
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It means instead of off-shoring some jobs they'll offshore the entire plant. You get to keep some jobs in one scenario and none in the other.
Ok, well how about a law that makes it illegal to off shore jobs - could that work?
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:31 AM
 
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And if we removed illegals from the picture, about $5 an hour.
yup! , I agree with that.

I'm sure that employers will pay the bare minimum they can get away with.

The only thing stopping this is having a min. wage.

This should be a right. (and thankfully it is in most developed countries)
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:35 AM
 
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"Somewhat" isn't enough. You'd have to cut rent and housing in half to afford that kind of pay.
I agree here.

It seems to be that with all the new immigrants, the landlords just start putting 3 people into one room and charging rent per person, instead of per room.

So with no min wage, this will just become the norm for working class locals.

ie: live like an impoverished immigrant in one's own country, just so the landlords and employers can have their extra week's ski-ing in Aspen paid for!
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:54 AM
 
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I agree here.

It seems to be that with all the new immigrants, the landlords just start putting 3 people into one room and charging rent per person, instead of per room.

So with no min wage, this will just become the norm for working class locals.

ie: live like an impoverished immigrant in one's own country, just so the landlords and employers can have their extra week's ski-ing in Aspen paid for!
But here is the thing...

Should people have enough income to have basic shelter (I'd say a small studio aparment) and healthy food and clean water and other living requirements for one person in exchange for full time of labor?

Or is the labor of the people worth less than that?
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Old 07-29-2012, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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but how could anyone actually live off $0.30/hr?
Panhandlers/bums make more than that.
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