What About Gluttony? The Extreme Obesity of Americans - Especially Christian Churchgoers (how much, Jesus)
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Well this explains it, if people in the south eat like Paula Dean it's going to happen. I saw a show with Trisha Yearwood making Mac & Cheese casserole it had enough fat content to give a person a heart attack.
It had noodles, cheese, more cheese, evaporated milk, more cheese, sour cream, top with bread crumbs and more cheese. The bread crumbs were fried in butter before putting on.
Your making me salivate.
Don't worry I'll confess the next time I go to church so the lefties can't call me a hypocrite though. lol
Given what you've said, I'll trust that your objective is to point out the hypocrisy of some Christians, as opposed to suggesting that the obese should be subjected to derision similar to that directed against homosexuals. I say that because I would hate to see two groups of people who are routinely denigrated within our society, pitted against one another. When that happens, only the bigots win.
Absolutely that's where I'm coming from. Again, what got me thinking about this was the Chick-fil-A thread. I was asking myself how can a business that makes millions in profits off exploiting and stoking the gluttony of others really consider itself a business dedicated to the teachings and principles of Christianity.
Would it be possible for a gay porn production company to be dedicated to the teachings and principles of Christianity? Aren't both companies based on selling sin?
The anti-gay bigots are good at ignoring their own hypocrisy.
There literally dozens and dozens of things in the Bible (even the new testament) which the bigots routinely ignore but they're absolutely obsessed that someone some where might be having sex, gay or other wise. Worse they want to pass laws to force everyone to obey their specific hang ups. Small government my foot. The right wing loves big government.
Recent discussion surrounding Chick-fil-A and homosexuality got me thinking about another topic related to fast food and religion: gluttony. To some Christians, whether homosexuality is a sin is debatable, but I thought that it was universally agreed among Christians that gluttony is.
America's waistline is ballooning, and I think it's perhaps the biggest problem we face as a nation. It's especially a problem in the Christian community. I found a FoxNews article about this, and it was pretty startling:
I'm a non-religious homosexual, so I'm curious about this, especially in light of how much anti-gay sentiment comes out of some churches these days. Do churches not preach about gluttony to the extent they do about sexual sins? Do churches not discuss physical well-being and its role in psychological, emotional, and spiritual health?
We've seen a rise in pro-gay groups over the last decade, but we've also seen a rise in pro-fat (or fat-pride) groups over the last decade too. Such groups have even successfully lobbied and gotten weight status added as a protected class to some anti-discrimination statutes. Over the same period, an awful lot of anti-gay groups have popped up and we hear a lot of anti-gay rhetoric coming from fundamentalist churches. In debates about homosexuality, I've heard many Christians say that all sins are equally sinful - personally I've never understood that. Isn't gluttony one of the 7 mortal sins? If anything, isn't gluttony a worse sin than homosexuality? Why haven't we see a corresponding rises in anti-glutton groups or hear similar anti-fat rhetoric coming out of fundamentalist churches?
Chick-fil-A purports to be a business that is dedicated to the teachings and principles of Christianity. Is that really possible for a business that thrives off of and stokes the gluttony of others? Is it really any more moral than a Christian strip club? Is an after services Church buffet supper of high-fat, hyper-salted mountains of food really any less sinful than an after services Church gay-sex orgy?
Have you considered the slenderness that is the natural condition of Methamphetamine addiction that is so prevalent in the homosexualist community? Or the bulimia, anorexia and outright starving that is par the course to help keep one's looks 'attractive'?
It is understandable to hate people if they disagree with your lifestyle, but isn't it a sign of mere malice to pose questions that are obviously meant to assuage your own hate? Is that what the code words 'diversity' and 'rainbow' actually mean behind the hyperbole of universal acceptance? Have you adopted the very same stance toward 'them' that 'they' have adopted toward you?
The time when a group of people (such as homosexualists) had to attack and claw at anyone perceived as against them is near over and maybe now is the time to start moving toward a less childish approach to those you may dislike and find avenues toward mutual acceptance. Or people can remain hateful and keep the jibes coming, but for what? A snark and a feeling of superiority? Honestly, you don't come off as someone who would benefit from the ususal gerbil jokes and such, so why play it forward?
Have you considered the slenderness that is the natural condition of Methamphetamine addiction that is so prevalent in the homosexualist community? Or the bulimia, anorexia and outright starving that is par the course to help keep one's looks 'attractive'?
It is understandable to hate people if they disagree with your lifestyle, but isn't it a sign of mere malice to pose questions that are obviously meant to assuage your own hate? Is that what the code words 'diversity' and 'rainbow' actually mean behind the hyperbole of universal acceptance? Have you adopted the very same stance toward 'them' that 'they' have adopted toward you?
The time when a group of people (such as homosexualists) had to attack and claw at anyone perceived as against them is near over and maybe now is the time to start moving toward a less childish approach to those you may dislike and find avenues toward mutual acceptance. Or people can remain hateful and keep the jibes coming, but for what? A snark and a feeling of superiority? Honestly, you don't come off as someone who would benefit from the ususal gerbil jokes and such, so why play it forward?
Hit a nerve did I pointing out the hypocrisy and selective "disagreeing with" (what I would call bigoty or hatred) fundamentalist Christians often reserve for specific groups of sinners they, for whatever reason, especially don't like?
Hit a nerve did I pointing out the hypocrisy and selective "disagreeing with" (what I would call bigoty or hatred) fundamentalist Christians often reserve for specific groups of sinners they, for whatever reason, especially don't like?
What nerve do you perceive as being "hit"? Your argumentative nature merely mimics these purported haters of homosexualism and so I only pointed out how much you have in common with them, and then pointed out that if you are serious (you are not) about being considered less an example of "sin" personified, you shouldn't throw stones whilst living in a glass house. So you feel 'they' are fat as 'they' proclaim you are "living in sin". Pity. Would you like a lemon with your chicken sandwich?
Animosity is sweet, but fat homosexualists exist and more would if drug addiction didn't keep them so trim and svelte. Greasy chicken will cause heart attacks and obesity. Neither side has a perfect view staring back at them in their mirrors. But go on and hate as it is convenient and specially attuned to be weaponized by people who cannot understand what it is they claim as the truth or what it is they fear that might be nagging at them for no particular reason.
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Originally Posted by hammertime33
Recent discussion surrounding Chick-fil-A and homosexuality got me thinking about another topic related to fast food and religion: gluttony. To some Christians, whether homosexuality is a sin is debatable, but I thought that it was universally agreed among Christians that gluttony is.
America's waistline is ballooning, and I think it's perhaps the biggest problem we face as a nation. It's especially a problem in the Christian community. I found a FoxNews article about this, and it was pretty startling:
I'm a non-religious homosexual, so I'm curious about this, especially in light of how much anti-gay sentiment comes out of some churches these days. Do churches not preach about gluttony to the extent they do about sexual sins? Do churches not discuss physical well-being and its role in psychological, emotional, and spiritual health?
We've seen a rise in pro-gay groups over the last decade, but we've also seen a rise in pro-fat (or fat-pride) groups over the last decade too. Such groups have even successfully lobbied and gotten weight status added as a protected class to some anti-discrimination statutes. Over the same period, an awful lot of anti-gay groups have popped up and we hear a lot of anti-gay rhetoric coming from fundamentalist churches. In debates about homosexuality, I've heard many Christians say that all sins are equally sinful - personally I've never understood that. Isn't gluttony one of the 7 mortal sins? If anything, isn't gluttony a worse sin than homosexuality? Why haven't we see a corresponding rises in anti-glutton groups or hear similar anti-fat rhetoric coming out of fundamentalist churches?
Chick-fil-A purports to be a business that is dedicated to the teachings and principles of Christianity. Is that really possible for a business that thrives off of and stokes the gluttony of others? Is it really any more moral than a Christian strip club? Is an after services Church buffet supper of high-fat, hyper-salted mountains of food really any less sinful than an after services Church gay-sex orgy?
Given the level of discourse that is usually displayed on C-D, this posting is relatively interesting. Although I can't speak for hammertime, I think what he (or she) is trying to say is that according to doctrinal Christians, the following seven sins have been identified as Cardinal (there is a lot of room for argument here that I am not trying to gloss over, but here they are): wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
I can see how an intellectually honest person who was opposed to homosexuality could possibly find the basis for their opposition in lust (sin number five, and by that I don't mean to imply that gay people are any more lustful than anyone else), and by saying that I am being generous. But then in order to be consistent such a person would have to be equally opposed to the other six sins. Just for some examples, that would mean that such a hypothetical person would be equally incensed by unsubstantiated hatred of Obama among others (wrath), the excesses of Wall Street (greed), the indolence of the U.S. leisure class (sloth), the Jingoistic and Hubristic belief that the U.S. is best in spite of evidence to the contrary (pride), the belief that one's physical desires should be immediately satiated, including the desire to overcome one's enemies (lust), the resentment that results from feeling that one has been somehow cheated by life (envy), and using food and/or drink to make up for feelings of resentment and inadequacy (gluttony).
I'll be interested to see how folks might respond to this. I'm not religious myself, but I also think that the seven deadly sins can lead to bad results merely because they often lead to bad human behavior. Who wants to be involved with angry, greedy, slothful, proud, oversexed, jealous, and over-indulgent people?
Excellent post. Sadly it is true. I pastored in South Carolina for a while and ran into this all the time. Some grossly obese woman (rarely a man), spouting off on how equal rights for gays and lesbians would lead to the downfall of society. More than once I pointed out the hypocrisy of what they were saying in light of the biblical prohibitions on gluttony and was always told gluttony isn't a sin and I understood the bible wrong.
For the few who indicated it was a sin, apparently on their sliding scale of sinfulness, it ranked well below same sex behaviour.
As a pastor I have never preached on gluttony, nor homosexuality, but I have preached on greed, pride but mostly I preach on the concept of Jesus love for all people and his unconditional love and acceptance of all persons, regardless of who they are. Strange concept to those who use the bible to divide and denigrate, but hey we all take from the good book what is important to us. To me nothing is greater than love, kindness and respect of my fellow man, and I believe that is what Jesus taught.
Then again, according to many on C-D I know not of what I speak... my seminary education, years of experience and now serving as Sr. Pastor of a 500+ member church are meaningless compared to what they heard or read. Go figure.
Recent discussion surrounding Chick-fil-A and homosexuality got me thinking about another topic related to fast food and religion: gluttony. To some Christians, whether homosexuality is a sin is debatable, but I thought that it was universally agreed among Christians that gluttony is. ?
Neither being gay nor being fat rubs off on you, hammertoes33. Histrionics, not helping you by dragging one persecuted group in for your wrath because of another persecuted group.
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