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81% of home invasions are carried out by one person.
11% of home invasions are carried out by two to three people.
The other 8% that are carried out by more than 3 people, as the OP detailed, are going to be tactically proficient. It's not going to be like they're all lined up like a duckshoot.
The OP's premise is implausible and, btw, if you were the homeowner and took the shot you'd spend quite a bit of time standing over the graves of your loved ones. It's an exaggeration and a stupid one at that. You'd have to be an absolute, resolute, asshat to think that engaging at that juncture would be wise. Your concept of real-world success would have to be so skewed by movies and television as to completely obviate reality.
It's not that those that prioritize families and protection are crazy, it's that it's unrealistic...and by entertaining the premise of the OP one does a disservice to very concept of rational protectionism.
...and Californians should forgo earthquake insurance because it is implausible that an earthquake will destroy any particular home...right?
Come and break into MY house and find out for yourself.
LMAO...who are you gonna shoot?
You're just another person that would end up getting pistol whipped with his own gun. You're not built like you think you are. Turn off the Eastwood movies and take a better look at your surroundings.
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NOT having a gun handy however DOES guarantee that you are completely at the criminal's mercy.
Trying to find where i said that you shouldn't have a gun. Can't find it.
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So because all home invaders are just so incredibly skilled killing machines who have unbelievably high "criminal IQs" that it is pointless to try to protect your family from them doesn't it make more sense to just have even more firepower since you are going up against such a dramatically superior foe?
That sounds like a scenario for MORE guns not LESS.
Ok..then buy more guns. (shrugs shoulders)
I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you the risks and playing this gung-ho, shoot'em up nonsense as if you're Schwartzenegger or something. You're not a street guy, and it's obvious that you have no street sense. You'll just end up like jt800...on your ass looking up at the ceiling. SMH
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81% of home invasions are carried out by one person.
11% of home invasions are carried out by two to three people.
The other 8% that are carried out by more than 3 people, as the OP detailed, are going to be tactically proficient. It's not going to be like they're all lined up like a duckshoot.
The OP's premise is implausible and, btw, if you were the homeowner and took the shot you'd spend quite a bit of time standing over the graves of your loved ones. It's an exaggeration and a stupid one at that. You'd have to be an absolute, resolute, asshat to think that engaging at that juncture would be wise. Your concept of real-world success would have to be so skewed by movies and television as to completely obviate reality.
It's not that those that prioritize families and protection are crazy, it's that it's unrealistic...and by entertaining the premise of the OP one does a disservice to very concept of rational protectionism.
...and Californians should forgo earthquake insurance because it is implausible that an earthquake will destroy any particular home...right?
No, not at all. Civilians should be armed and well-armed. At the point that 6 bogeys are invading your home and there are multiple children (friendlies) about and you decide to engage...well, you're a small-johnsoned, terminally dellusional dickweed.
My point, was and is, that the OP's premise is flawed, based on fear mongering, and dangerous and that anyone who would use such an addleminded argument in support of the 2nd Amendment will get the negative results they deserve.
You're just another person that would end up getting pistol whipped with his own gun. You're not built like you think you are. Turn off the Eastwood movies and take a better look at your surroundings.
Yeah......sure. I served with the 1st Marines in Vietnam and you don't think I know how to shoot PEOPLE?
Try MY house as I said if you're willing to risk your LIFE.
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Trying to find where i said that you shouldn't have a gun. Can't find it.
Of course you can't find it because what I was replying to had nothing to do with that.....
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter And having a gun handy is no guarantee of anything.
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NOT having a gun handy however DOES guarantee that you are completely at the criminal's mercy.
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You'll just end up like jt800...on your ass looking up at the ceiling.
You're welcome to TRY if you dare! Somehow I think it's YOU who is "projecting" your OWN inability to confront an armed criminal onto others. Personally, I'd take pleasure in taking out some perp that broke into my home.
I don't know how your home is laid out but, around here, most people have upstairs bedrooms or bedrooms in the back.
So unless the murderers descend through the ceiling like Navy SEALs all stealthy and such, most family protectors will have some time to lock and load. The only scenario I can imagine not having enough time to reach for and prep my weapon is if the kids are sleeping in the foyer and the murderers know the quickest way to get to them.
Not a likely scenario.
People will not "burst" into your home when you are asleep, I was responding to the home invasion scenario. Again, unless you hear them in advance, having a gun "in the home" won't matter.
According to a United States Department of Justice report:
38% of assaults & 60% of rapes occur during home invasions.
1 of every 5 homes will experience a break-in or home invasion. That's over 2,000,000 homes!
According to Statistics Canada, there has been an average of 289,200 home invasions annually over the last 5 years.
Statistically, there are over 8,000 home invasions per day in North America
According to Statistics U.S.A., there was an average of 3,600,000 home invasions annually between 1994 and 2000."
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And, do you know exactly what a home invasion is? It's not done by stealth, and it's not done while the family is asleep. Home invasion differs from burglary because it has a violent intent like aggravated robbery. It's usually done by more that one perpetrator, it's violent, the perps forcing their way into the home while the occupants are home, usually through the front door. It involves the use of weapons and physical intimidation; property theft; and victims who are unknown to the perpetrators.
Don't confuse this with B&E, or burglary.
And, unless you carry your weapon at your side, safety off, and have the reflexes of a cat, the gun won't do you a hell of a lot of good. By the time you reach for it, one of the perps has already put a couple of rounds into you. Having a gun in no way guarantees safety, folks. Even trained police officers sometimes hesitate before firing their guns.
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That's offensive and the biggest part of the problem When reasonable people want to defend themselves characters like you join in the conversation , create implausible scenarios, and argue things that make the rest of us look like dingbats (like you)...
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