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Old 08-03-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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There is no honor in this kind of warfare. People will say killing from a distance from the air conditioned comfort of a control center is keeping our soldiers out of harms way. Have we become this callous, this blood thirsty?

A man deserves a measure of respect, even if he's your enemy. If he has the courage to put his own life on the line, but you kill him without risking yours, what does that say about you? Are we so convinced that our cause is just? Are we so right, so absolutely above judgement that we can kill, kill, kill from thousands of miles away?

I have a really bad feeling about this. The future is grim for America.

Drone warfare: a new generation of deadly unmanned weapons | World news | The Guardian
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:23 AM
 
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I have no problem with keeping our soldiers out of harms way when the cause is just. That's the problem isn't it?
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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I have no problem with keeping our soldiers out of harms way when the cause is just. That's the problem isn't it?
Who decides though? When you send an Army into battle, at least you have to convince the people you are asking to fight that your cause is just. With these drones, all it takes is one person to make a decision that someone has to die and they can make it happen with a cup of coffee in their hand and none of us will probably ever hear about it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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Who decides though? When you send an Army into battle, at least you have to convince the people you are asking to fight that your cause is just.
I do not think anyone would bicker over the idea that it would be just if we were attacked.

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With these drones, all it takes is one person to make a decision that someone has to die and they can make it happen with a cup of coffee in their hand and none of us will probably ever hear about it.
I'm not arguing that it's currently use is clearly just. Indeed it does nueter many complaints when people's kids aren't getting killed.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:32 AM
 
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I guess what I'm trying to say is I cannot imagine the hatred our enemies must have for us. It's one thing to be defeated on the field of battle by a superior military. You can respect that, and the men who defeat you.

At least they are human and may even show some kindness and mercy.

That is a thousands of years tradition of humans. War is misery, deprivation, pain and suffering. If you make it neat and surgical and painless for one side then it becomes a crime against humanity. It should be the absolute last resort, something to be avoided at all costs. This is making it too damn easy for people I don't trust as far as I could throw them.

Imagine Karl Rove or Dick Cheney in the same room as the guy who is deciding what targets to hit with a fleet of drones?

All I have to say is if we go down this road, we better not ever lose a war where our enemy ends up on our soil because they will not have any mercy on us.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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There is no honor in this kind of warfare. People will say killing from a distance from the air conditioned comfort of a control center is keeping our soldiers out of harms way. Have we become this callous, this blood thirsty?

A man deserves a measure of respect, even if he's your enemy. If he has the courage to put his own life on the line, but you kill him without risking yours, what does that say about you? Are we so convinced that our cause is just? Are we so right, so absolutely above judgement that we can kill, kill, kill from thousands of miles away?

I have a really bad feeling about this. The future is grim for America.

Drone warfare: a new generation of deadly unmanned weapons | World news | The Guardian

Honor? Honor in warfare? That's a concept dreamed up by those who would send you off to die. Nobody who has ever been close to the killing comes away with such an illusion.

And, you're damned right killing the enemy without risking my life is a GOOD thing. Heck, that's why we've had artillery all these years.

If you think it's so noble to fight the enemy mano y mano, I'm sure they still have some caves in the Hindu Kush you can clean out by yourself.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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killing innocent women and children from within a bunker using only video screen and joystick is cool

Ordering someone else to do it like Obama and his generals do, is even cooler!!!
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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Honor? Honor in warfare? That's a concept dreamed up by those who would send you off to die. Nobody who has ever been close to the killing comes away with such an illusion.

And, you're damned right killing the enemy without risking my life is a GOOD thing. Heck, that's why we've had artillery all these years.

If you think it's so noble to fight the enemy mano y mano, I'm sure they still have some caves in the Hindu Kush you can clean out by yourself.
Or we could decide to actually not kill. Imagine that concept! How about we only use deadly force when the US is directly threatened? Why are we over there killing human beings? Do you know because I have no clue.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:42 AM
 
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I guess what I'm trying to say is I cannot imagine the hatred our enemies must have for us. It's one thing to be defeated on the field of battle by a superior military. You can respect that, and the men who defeat you.
We did much the same thing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in much larger scale. Yes people delivered the bombs but the destruction far outweighed what a handful of soldiers could do.

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At least they are human and may even show some kindness and mercy.
Sorry, it's war.

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That is a thousands of years tradition of humans. War is misery, deprivation, pain and suffering. If you make it neat and surgical and painless for one side then it becomes a crime against humanity. It should be the absolute last resort, something to be avoided at all costs. This is making it too damn easy for people I don't trust as far as I could throw them.

Imagine Karl Rove or Dick Cheney in the same room as the guy who is deciding what targets to hit with a fleet of drones?

All I have to say is if we go down this road, we better not ever lose a war where our enemy ends up on our soil because they will not have any mercy on us.
Yours argument is two parts. Yes, it makes it too easy but where just I'm OK with keeping our soldiers out of harms way. Do I think it's current use is just? No. Would more be demanding a stop to it if more of our kids were being killed? Yes, I believe so but that shouldn't be the standard.

The problem IMO is not drones but rather partisan politics. If your guy is in office, they can burn all the babies they want to.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:47 AM
 
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I just hope the enemy realizes the US is getting a lot of help with the technology on these things. China, Germany, Taiwan--all should get to share the blame when they come for their revenge.

I hope I live to see old age and my grandchildren. These things make that vision just a little more cloudy.
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