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Old 08-09-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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If you have a problem with how Bain Capital did business or MR's role while there, I ask you this:
1) Do you invest in the stock market?
2) Do you have a 401K or pension?
3) Do you pay union dues into a fund that makes investments?
4) Would you consider yourself against corporate greed?

If you answered 'yes' to any of those questions, do you understand how the investment process works?
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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If you answered 'yes' to any of those questions, do you understand how the investment process works?
It no longer works the way it is supposed to. It is broke.

When you make an investment and it turns out to be a loser, you are suppose to understand that you take a loss, not demand the government bail you out with taxpayer money and Fed actions.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Are you saying those with investments shouldn't dare question the practices of those they're invested with?

If not, just what are you saying?
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If you answered 'yes' to any of those questions, do you understand how the investment process works?
Yes.

I also understand that shareholders are not the only constituency to which business leaders have some measure of moral accountability.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:35 AM
 
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Are you saying those with investments shouldn't dare question the practices of those they're invested with?

If not, just what are you saying?
My point being, the only reason why you would 'invest' money in a company is because you expect some measure of return on that investment, ie: you want your money to be worth more tomorrow than it is today through growth. If that weren't the goal, you'd simply put you money in a jar and bury it in the back yard.

The way your money grows via investing in a company is by that company becoming more 'valuable' via it's stock price. The only way to become more 'valuable' is for the stock to appreciate in value which means the company is makeing more money than it's spending which means it's more profitable.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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My point being, the only reason why you would 'invest' money in a company is because you expect some measure of return on that investment, ie: you want your money to be worth more tomorrow than it is today through growth. If that weren't the goal, you'd simply put you money in a jar and bury it in the back yard.

The way your money grows via investing in a company is by that company becoming more 'valuable' via it's stock price. The only way to become more 'valuable' is for the stock to appreciate in value which means the company is makeing more money than it's spending which means it's more profitable.

And........?

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Old 08-09-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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My point being, the only reason why you would 'invest' money in a company is because you expect some measure of return on that investment, ie: you want your money to be worth more tomorrow than it is today through growth. If that weren't the goal, you'd simply put you money in a jar and bury it in the back yard.

The way your money grows via investing in a company is by that company becoming more 'valuable' via it's stock price. The only way to become more 'valuable' is for the stock to appreciate in value which means the company is makeing more money than it's spending which means it's more profitable.
By only that standard of investment gain we should all be thrilled if we are suddenly allowed to invest in drug cartels, they're certainly profitable, social impact be damned, gimme those $$$.

My point is there's nothing wrong with questioning the operations/social impact of a corporation, whether one has investments or not.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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It no longer works the way it is supposed to. It is broke.

When you make an investment and it turns out to be a loser, you are suppose to understand that you take a loss, not demand the government bail you out with taxpayer money and Fed actions.
The only thing broke is a growing government with leftist trying to dictate everything from cradle to grave.

There are some very sick people on this forum that have a problem with profit or success.
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:57 AM
 
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The only thing broke is a growing government with leftist trying to dictate everything from cradle to grave.

There are some very sick people on this forum that have a problem with profit or success.
There are also some very sick people perfectly willing to place profit ahead of everything, including country, environment, health, etc., etc., etc............................................... ...........................
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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And........?

And.....in order to increase profits, sometimes a company has to cut expenses, which often times means eliminating payroll (firing people). Otherwise, a company could go down the drain and then EVERYONE loses their job.

The point is, if you're invested, one way or another in the stock market, your hope is that the companies you invest in are profitable and increasing in value. Otherwise, what's the point of being in business?
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