Hard facts about Canada's healthcare system (regular, border, Minnesota, how much)

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by VTHokieFan

This is where most liberals fail in their logic, they think you can throw money at anything and that renders the entire problem solved.

Liberal logic: Pointing to real world examples. With objective facts.

Right wing West Virginia logic: repeating what Sarah Palin tells me.

[VTHokieFan]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

Liberal logic: Pointing to real world examples. With objective facts.

Right wing West Virginia logic: repeating what Sarah Palin tells me.

Yeh because West Virginia is such a red state. All you have proven is that single payer system works for Canada.

[Eleanora1]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

my argument is that I do not want any government in between me my physician.

You already have one. It makes sure the guy's not a quack.

The Canadians live longer than we do and pay less in health care. But facts never bother the Reps.

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by VTHokieFan

This is where most liberals fail in their logic, they think you can throw money at anything and that renders the entire problem solved.

Whereas the Canadian approach is to throw less money at health care, thus achieving better results than the U.S. does.

[VTHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Eleanora1

You already have one. It makes sure the guy's not a quack.

The Canadians live longer than we do and pay less in health care. But facts never bother the Reps.

They pay less because they actually take care of themselves and practice preventative medicine.

[VTHokieFan]

Originally Posted by pch1013

Whereas the Canadian approach is to throw less money at health care, thus achieving better results than the U.S. does.

What do you want from me? You win. I've totally admitted that single payer health care works in Canada. I acknowledge it. I understand it. Single payer health care works in Canada. I'm on the record as saying that. I think it's great that it works for Canadians, it seems like a wonderful system for them and most are happy about it.

[20yrsinBranson]

Originally Posted by squarian

Interesting and well-informed column:

Myths about Canada, U.S. health care debunked - Bill Mann's Canada - MarketWatch

My husband IS Canadian. I have seen FIRST HAND the problems with Canadian Health Care. You will never convince me in a gazillion years that their system is worth a damn. The *only* think I can say in their favor is the fact that BECAUSE it takes so long to see a doctor, many issues resolve themselves naturally, *and* that because the system so so very broken, they do not recommend a lot of unnecessary testing and treatment like doctors in the United States do.

Three older friends of my husband's family go to doctors in the United States (and they pay out of their own pocket, even though their health care is "free"), because the care they receive in Canada is sub-standard. One has a heart condition, one has diabetes and the third one has several different medical problems.

20yrsinBranson

[hogstooth]

Facts coming from AARP a obamacare shill who stands to cash in with obama

Obama Embraces AARP's Support for House Health Bill
President Obama thanked the AARP and the American Medical Association for officially endorsing the House Democratic health care bill, a major boost for the legislation two days before a historic vote
Obama Embraces AARP's Support for House Health Bill | Fox News

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by 20yrsinBranson

My husband IS Canadian. I have seen FIRST HAND the problems with Canadian Health Care. You will never convince me in a gazillion years that their system is worth a damn. The *only* think I can say in their favor is the fact that BECAUSE it takes so long to see a doctor, many issues resolve themselves naturally, *and* that because the system so so very broken, they do not recommend a lot of unnecessary testing and treatment like doctors in the United States do.

Three older friends of my husband's family go to doctors in the United States (and they pay out of their own pocket, even though their health care is "free"), because the care they receive in Canada is sub-standard. One has a heart condition, one has diabetes and the third one has several different medical problems.

20yrsinBranson

You're husband is not typical. Canadians overwhelmingly support their system over the US model.

New poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care | Physicians for a National Health Program

So we have an actual professional poll of Canadian public opinion or you anecdotal story from one Canadian that moved to a Missouri backwater? Who to believe?

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest

my argument is that I do not want any government in between me my physician.

Doctors in Canada are independent, and run their own businesses, so how is that different from doctors in the US?