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Old 08-13-2012, 10:42 PM
 
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Strawman.

Also - the word "arms" is in the Constitution - a word which = guns.

Christianity is a religion and the Constitution has a clause in it that specifically protects the free exercise of religion.

Congress has the power to declare war which accounts for your other three terms. If you will recall - Congress passed two resolutions authorizing military action in certain countries located in West Asia.

Now - what was your point again?
General Welfare... that sounds like social justice is for the general welfare, in fact it seems like both groups of words mean exactly the same thing.

The O.P. is a Strawman, since the Constitution is especially designed so that it can be changed when ever we or our children change out minds about what we want the powers of the government to be. No, arms doesn't mean "guns" it means "the weapons (such as knifes) that existed back then".

Satanism and Rape can be made religions, it doesn't matter, their practices can be made illegal when ever it is deemed necessary by the Representatives of The People.

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Old 08-13-2012, 10:47 PM
 
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How do you know that Odin is not Jesus?
Because such an idea would be an insult to both Odin and Jesus. How do you know that I'm not Jesus? Or that Tom Riddle isn't Lucifer? Obviously they are contradicting characters.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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General Welfare... that sounds like social justice is for the general welfare, in fact it seems like both groups of words mean exactly the same thing.

The O.P. is a Strawman, since the Constitution is especially designed so that it can be changed when ever we or our children change out minds about what we want the powers of the government to be. No, arms doesn't mean "guns" it means "the weapons (such as knifes) that existed back then".

Satanism and Rape can be made religions, it doesn't matter, their practices can be made illegal when ever it is deemed necessary.
The "general welfare" is only mentioned in the preamble and it is something that the Constitution was written to promote. That means that the constitution itself - if abided by - promotes the general welfare of the nation. It does not mean what the anti-constitutional progressives have corrupted it into meaning - a type of carte blanche to enact any big government program that they can fund with confiscated taxes. The Constitution limits the power of the federal government - and in so doing - promotes the general welfare of the republic.

The weapons available to the citizens at the time of the 2nd Amendment included firearms - and the 2nd Amendment was specifically written to protect civilan ownership of any arm(a weapon that can be carried) that the government used - in order to ensure the security of free states. It was designed to keep the states and the people protected from the federal government.

"Arms" includes knives - but most certainly is not a term limited to them.
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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General Welfare... that sounds like social justice is for the general welfare, in fact it seems like both groups of words mean exactly the same thing.

The O.P. is a Strawman, since the Constitution is especially designed so that it can be changed when ever we or our children change out minds about what we want the powers of the government to be. No, arms doesn't mean "guns" it means "the weapons (such as knifes) that existed back then".

Satanism and Rape can be made religions, it doesn't matter, their practices can be made illegal when ever it is deemed necessary.

Why are so many Progressives clueless about the General Welfare clause and what it actually means?
The General Welfare Clause

The Constitution is not simply changed at the whim of changing minds.

Clue: Amending the US Constitution – Methods For Amending the US Constitution
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Old 08-13-2012, 10:53 PM
 
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Because such an idea would be an insult to both Odin and Jesus. How do you know that I'm not Jesus? Or that Tom Riddle isn't Lucifer? Obviously they are contradicting characters.
The Norse worshipped Odin - they just didn't know him as Jesus. There is only one God - whom Jesus is - therefore if the Norse thought they were worshipping God whom they called Odin - they were really worshipping Jesus.

The main problem with them is that they had multiple gods - and that is ridiculous - not to mention blasphemous.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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Why are so many Progressives clueless about the General Welfare clause and what it actually means?
The General Welfare Clause

The Constitution is not simply changed at the whim of changing minds.

Clue: Amending the US Constitution – Methods For Amending the US Constitution
Talk about a wingnut web link. Geez...

Be careful what you wish for. If, as Scalia wants, we confine ourselves to what the "Framers" can be understood to have meant at the time, you will find that they had no conception of certain things, oh, like semi-automatic weapons. Did the "Framers" intend for us to have the ability to own semi-automatic weapons? How about tanks? At the time it was created, their "understanding" of arms was far different than now.

THe solution to all of this, of course, is what Jefferson proposed: Ripping up the Constitution at least once every generation and creating a new one. I'm willing to abide by the majority. Most of you are not. If it means a guarantee of everyone to own automatic weapons and tanks, I will accept it. I would rather that we be explicit and leave less room for these endless, fruitless debates, than keep it vague and locked in past understanding that have little application to the present.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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Number one... It's not "your" constitution. It belongs to ALL the people of this country.

Actually it's a top-down constitution, written and ratified by wealthy people which is why the property rights of poor people are limited to whatever the non-poor majority deigns to extend to them.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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There is only one God
Spiderman, but he's not really a god. He's the real life superhero. He has a book about him.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:18 PM
 
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I find it humorous when people that have not read the constitution or the federalist papers try to explain the constitution to me.. It's almost as funny as a Satanist explaining the Bible to a Christian....
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:58 PM
 
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The "general welfare" is only mentioned in the preamble and it is something that the Constitution was written to promote. That means that the constitution itself - if abided by - promotes the general welfare of the nation. It does not mean what the anti-constitutional progressives have corrupted it into meaning - a type of carte blanche to enact any big government program that they can fund with confiscated taxes. The Constitution limits the power of the federal government - and in so doing - promotes the general welfare of the republic.
Yeah, Promoting Social Justice is Promoting the General Welfare. It is for the general welfare of the nation that Slavery was made illegal. That old anti-constitutional Abraham Lincoln... maybe he should have thought twice before implementing that "big government program" called ensuring emancipation.

There is no amendment restricting the tax and spending powers of congress

The Constitution limits the power of the federal government, but the federal government is what we use to protect ourselves against enemy threats and civil war... The general welfare of the Democratic-republic is not protected by being Unsocial and Unjust.

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The weapons available to the citizens at the time of the 2nd Amendment included firearms - and the 2nd Amendment was specifically written to protect civilan ownership of any arm(a weapon that can be carried) that the government used - in order to ensure the security of free states. It was designed to keep the states and the people protected from the federal government.

"Arms" includes knives - but most certainly is not a term limited to them.
They didn't include semi-automatic weapons nor bazookas. And the 2nd Amendment specifically says WHY "the right to bear arms" would not be infringed from the states: BECAUSE A well-regulated MILITIA IS IMPORTANT FOR A STATE... WE don't have state militias any more, just POLICE AND MILITARY.

Read your second amendment again, Atomic-weapons and WMDs can be carried. The 2nd Amendment was specifically written to ENSURE THE STATES would REGULATE their musket, knife, and cannon sales and training of personel to ensure the states had control of all weapons in a proper fashion, such as allowing civilians knifes and muskets but not cannons (which were also considered arms). It was designed to ease the fear of conspiracists and to protect the NATION from Foreign Invaders, Not to PROTECT THE SOUTH FROM THE UNION. The Federal Government at the time had NO weapons that the states needed protection from.

"Arms" was limited to weapons that existed prior to it's penning.

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