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Old 08-18-2012, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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How can America be free when the laws are shaped and written by the large political interest groups and the
large and wealthy corporations?

There is no voice or a very small voice for the common person.

The current political system almost seems to brainwash it's followers.

The media blares it's opinion and the sound falls upon ears that simply do not know any better .

The watchers and listeners will continue to play follow the leader until the country eventually falls apart and it appears to be doing so right now.
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:49 AM
 
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america doesn't like things that are good and humane for everyone, and that have been proven to work in other developed countries. They don't like universal health care, legal prostitution, mandatory vacations for employees, multiculturalism and a diverse population, younger drinking age, and the list goes on. Some say america is a center right wing nation, but I think it's far right wing. Obviously not as far right as say nazi Germany was, but still further to the right then it should be. Most other industrialized nations lean more to the left, and that's the way america should be. america's flaw is that it's waay too conservative and it needs to be more humanitarian.

Its not a flaw its just the way it is,America is one of the greatest places to live if you make it and become rich or at least well off.
Failing to achieve that goal brings out a whole other side of America,you are basically thrown under the bus and if you lose your job or otherwise fall on hard times be prepared for labels like leech,lazy,some one who is just out for free stuff etc,healthcare becomes unaffordable and therefore unavailable and you are basically left to die in the streets.America is a great place for the rich or at the very least the upper middle class,if you are poor or for whatever reason cant make it America may not be your best choice and a more socialist country may be a better option.
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:51 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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america doesn't like things that are good and humane for everyone, and that have been proven to work in other developed countries. They don't like universal health care, legal prostitution, mandatory vacations for employees, multiculturalism and a diverse population, younger drinking age, and the list goes on. Some say america is a center right wing nation, but I think it's far right wing. Obviously not as far right as say nazi Germany was, but still further to the right then it should be. Most other industrialized nations lean more to the left, and that's the way america should be. america's flaw is that it's waay too conservative and it needs to be more humanitarian.
I think what you need is a good dose of American History, because you appear to be clueless about who we are as a people, our founding, and why people came to America.

America, as founded, maximized the freedom of man, and minimized government interference in his life.

I don't want government telling me what foods I can eat, what size soda is acceptable for me to drink, where my grandchildren can put a lemonade stand, how much I can earn, how much of what I earn is "fair" for me to keep, who I can donate money to, what I can teach my children, what is allowable for me to say, whom I may not criticize, where I can vacation, how much I can drive, what kind of car I can have, whether I can own a gun, what kind of health care I can have and what medical procedures are right for me, what doctor I can see and when, how much I must pay employees, what benefits I must offer, who I must hire, shall I go on, or do you get the picture?

You may not know it, but in the UK (and perhaps elsewhere) everyone goes "on holiday" (vacation) at the same time and for the same length of time, guns are illegal to own, there is only one officially recognized church (yes, it's true, in the 21st Century!), no private healh insurance, and probably a host of restrictions I'm not aware of.

America DOES make sense, and it makes more sense than anything that has ever been tried before.

And, by the way, America is spelled with a capital 'A'.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:04 AM
 
Location: S.W.PA
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Yes we carry our history like everyone else. The primary currency here is not dollars however, but rather liberty. They are related of-course: liberty led us to free market capitalism, or at least the pursuit of it. Most of our right/left debates have to do with individual freedom vs. governmental control.
It is true that we are more conservative than most of Europe, though it has its conservative facets such as religion, tradition, and class, which we in the US have in equal or lesser amounts I would say. Again it is a matter of the role of central goverment. We do not readily accept a heavy handed government, which may differentiate us from Europe but does not automatically make us wrong.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:52 AM
 
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Since when was the Nazi party "right wing"

Follow the path. The more government intervention we get in this country, the worse things get. Today, we have a bloated government sector, an entire class of parasites, deficit spending is the norm, and a president who is talking about nationalizing the entire manufacturing sector... The fact that this doesn't appear to be scaring the crap out of people is scaring the crap out of me.

When you speak "humanitarian"... Ever hear the term "compassionate conservatism"? That entails providing general support, but encouraging individuals to overcome their own obstacles. The government can't fix every wrong in the world, so don't count on them to do so. People have to put on the big boy and girl shoes and continue to strive forward as best they can. Aside from that, government is far too inefficient to solve everyone's problems.

Frankly, what is wrong with America today is we have strayed far away from the core values and free market principles that made this country great, and a beacon of hope for the world. Today, we seem to be a hollow shell, occupied by hollow people whose only satisfaction in life comes from accumulating cheap, breakable goods and eating disgusting food. Prosperity???
First, most would agree that the Nazi party was definitely far right wing.

Govt. intervention is not a bad thing if it helps everyone and gives the people more individual civil liberties.

Compassionate conservatism?? Are you serious? You're joking right? That's an oxymoron. Conservatism and conservative people are not compassionate. Otherwise we wouldn't have a lot of the problems we have in america today. This isn't about people being lazy and not wanting to help themselves like conservatives make it sound. This is about doing the right thing that's in the best interest of the people and creating a better culture.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:53 AM
 
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I agree and that's the main problem with america, it's far too much to the right.

Today's GOP are the hard right party and the tea party the radical right, with the democrats the center/right.

Corporatist fascism is the plague of america that continues to destroy it.
Thank you. I'm glad you agree with that. Yes the democratic party is right wing themselves, just less so than the republican party.
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Old 08-18-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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Its not a flaw its just the way it is,America is one of the greatest places to live if you make it and become rich or at least well off.
Failing to achieve that goal brings out a whole other side of America,you are basically thrown under the bus and if you lose your job or otherwise fall on hard times be prepared for labels like leech,lazy,some one who is just out for free stuff etc,healthcare becomes unaffordable and therefore unavailable and you are basically left to die in the streets.America is a great place for the rich or at the very least the upper middle class,if you are poor or for whatever reason cant make it America may not be your best choice and a more socialist country may be a better option.
Oh it's definitely a flaw. And you even pointed out some reasons why it's a flaw in your post. Any country that is only good for the rich and ultra rich, but terrible for the majority which is poor and middle class is flawed. That was an excellent point in your last sentence about more socialist countries being better options. I agree with you because I am planning to immigrate somewhere else but because of how difficult it is, I have to wait until years from now after grad school
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:15 AM
 
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I think what you need is a good dose of American History, because you appear to be clueless about who we are as a people, our founding, and why people came to America.

America, as founded, maximized the freedom of man, and minimized government interference in his life.

I don't want government telling me what foods I can eat, what size soda is acceptable for me to drink, where my grandchildren can put a lemonade stand, how much I can earn, how much of what I earn is "fair" for me to keep, who I can donate money to, what I can teach my children, what is allowable for me to say, whom I may not criticize, where I can vacation, how much I can drive, what kind of car I can have, whether I can own a gun, what kind of health care I can have and what medical procedures are right for me, what doctor I can see and when, how much I must pay employees, what benefits I must offer, who I must hire, shall I go on, or do you get the picture?

You may not know it, but in the UK (and perhaps elsewhere) everyone goes "on holiday" (vacation) at the same time and for the same length of time, guns are illegal to own, there is only one officially recognized church (yes, it's true, in the 21st Century!), no private healh insurance, and probably a host of restrictions I'm not aware of.

America DOES make sense, and it makes more sense than anything that has ever been tried before.

And, by the way, America is spelled with a capital 'A'.
I know all about american history, thank you very much. Based on your post, you could really learn some things about america as far as what they are or can tell you. They shouldn't be able to tell you what you can eat, but alot of american food is unhealthy and genetically modified and alot of times they don't even say it is on the package. How much of what you earn is fair for you to keep?? They already do that, it's called taxes. What is allowable for you to say and who you can criticize? Hey that's been done here. Right after 9/11 the dixie chicks took some public heat for rightly criticizing the warmonger george w. bush. Many stores took their albums off the shelves until they made a public apology. Where you can vacation? No they shouldn't tell you that. But I mentioned that america should require employers to give vacations just like every other industrialized nation does. Guns? Whatever, yes you have extra gun rights here, but crime here is higher than the rest of the developed world. Healthcare? That's just the thing. Many ppl health care is very limited because we don't have universal healthcare. The things about the jobs are all good things. You should have to at least pay a certain wage and hire certain ppl.

It's funny you were trying to use the uk as a bad example, because that was a good example to support my point. It's a good thing that gun laws are stricter there. Because of that they have a lot less crime there. Even the cops don't carry guns there. Who cares about the church? And it's definitely a good thing that there's no private health insurance, because then they can't screw somebody over because of a pre-existing condition, etc. america does not make sense. For some it makes cents, but not sense. In terms of progressive social advances, it's at least 10 years behind other countries. But yes america is a very selfish.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:19 AM
 
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america doesn't like things that are good and humane for everyone, and that have been proven to work in other developed countries. They don't like universal health care, legal prostitution, mandatory vacations for employees, multiculturalism and a diverse population, younger drinking age, and the list goes on. Some say america is a center right wing nation, but I think it's far right wing. Obviously not as far right as say nazi Germany was, but still further to the right then it should be. Most other industrialized nations lean more to the left, and that's the way america should be. america's flaw is that it's waay too conservative and it needs to be more humanitarian.
Yea, because all of those things work so well in Europe!

Only 50 years of socialist policies have led to bankruptcy.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Denmark
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Corporations have always had way too much power in the American system. This is the downside of pure capitalism. A very small minority amasses fabulous wealth, while the rest gets f***** over
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