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I don't think I can trust anything you say. I've done just some minimal research, and what you say here is just flat wrong - it's outright lying.
You should do more than minimal research before accusing someone of "lying". I am speaking from firsthand experience as a parent and taxpayer in the district.
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They have quite the extensive offerings for such a small high school (650 students) - a science research program done mostly over the summer (separate from AP or IB) really caught my eye.
Yes, an excellent program which was originally implemented back in the 90's in cooperation with Cold Spring Harbor Laboratories, home of Dr. James Watson, the scientist who discovered DNA's double helix. I am a strong supporter of science in education and founded an elementary science fair and advocated for an elementary science teacher for many years, to no avail.
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And they don't just offer AP European History and World History, they also offer specific AP classes in Art, Statistics, Computer Science, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, US History, and Government and Politics.
I stated three AP courses. The vast majority of public schools have a "minimum class size policy" in order for a course to run. Again, back in the 90's, I remember constant discussions at BoE meetings over whether to run AP French for 7 students. Here are LVHS's 2012 AP exam results. I assure you, LVHS did not run a course in AP Chemistry for 1 student or AP Government & Politics for 2 students! Those courses are listed ON PAPER ONLY and LVHS admin and Guidance steer all students to IB and then encourage them to sit an AP exam in a minimally comparable AP subject.
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As to the 2 schools mentioned in your pdf file, neither of them have eliminated AP like you claim. Binghamton HS lists its course offerings online - they offer 14 AP classes:
BHS offers the following Advanced Placement courses, based on student enrollment and teacher availability:
English 10, Studio Art, Calculus, European History
That's 3, not 14 because there's no such AP animal as "English 10".
Let me just add that the TOP public high schools on Long Island offer upwards of 20 AP courses. (see Jericho, Syosset, Roslyn, Manhasset, Cold Spring Harbor, Half Hollow Hills, Great Neck ........... none of which are IB)
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No Chuckity, it is not as I have been publicly identified, a specific school has been named and I am providing actual AP and IB exam reports from my district which support my statements. Please try and learn the difference, you IB supporters really seem to have a problem with differentiating between verifiable sources and hearsay. I am an attributable source and you may feel free to contact the Principal of the HS and ask which AP courses will actually be run for 2012-2013. Hearsay means that you have no way of verifying what I am relating to you is factual.
No Chuckity, it is not as I have been publicly identified, a specific school has been named and I am providing actual AP and IB exam reports from my district which support my statements. Please try and learn the difference, you IB supporters really seem to have a problem with differentiating between verifiable sources and hearsay.
Snort.
And you IB naysayers seem to have a problem with paranoid delusions.
Excuse me? Do you even know what a "paranoid delusion" IS? I doubt you do. What could possibly be paranoid or delusional about my statement?
I've read this entire thread.
Some of the stuff you've said (and that exists on your website) is so far out there it would make Xenu and the Galatic Confederacy seem pretty damned normal & believable.
In order to keep this thread from swirling down the galactic wormhole of Progressive distraction, I think it is important to focus on two key concepts as they relate to IB and American public education:
TRUTH & LIBERTY
When it comes to IB, a program which claims it promote "inquiry" and requires teachers to integrate TOK into every course, it is hypocrisy of the nth order that actual discussion about IB, its regulations, its credibility and its limitations, are verboten.
For fun, I have an exercise for anyone interested. Try and post a non-positive comment about IB or the activities it supports on one of its IB Blogs. Mind you, I am not encouraging spamming or foul language, simply post an opinion that disagrees with the featured blog. It will be censored and deleted.
Is that what we want for our children? An educational system that only allows the "good worker bees" who agree with the Statists to be showcased? Should all forms of dissent and freedom of expression be squashed? I may not agree with the folks in OWS and I certainly don't support violence, but I will stand for their right to peaceably assemble and for their freedom of speech.
This is why I oppose IBO with such passion, because I love my American Constitutional liberties with an even greater passion. The way to "a better world" is not by forcing everyone to accept a global socialist regime/ideology, but to defend and celebrate our American freedoms and encourage other countries to realize that the documents crafted by our Founding Fathers serve as the bedrock of liberty and justice for all.
It is imperative that we defend our sovereignty as a nation. To allow the UN to undermine our sovereign state is to spit on the graves of every veteran who died in the name of freedom. Our children must be taught the value of our Constitution, what it stands for, and how the future will be worse for their children if we allow this magnificent Federal Republic to be destroyed.
I think that the bottom line here is that the buck stops here. Tinawina has already admitted that she understands this
programme was designed to cater to children of diplomats. These privilaged students were exposed to all types of strange cultural differences. To address that, the IB schools created a platform of respect, with all these differences, every culture can be right. Sounds fair enough. Tinawina also explained that inside those IB schools there is no way the IB programme would ever make a declaration that one nation is superior over another, and on and on from there.
Tina explained that diplomats children could go from one IB school to another and continuity would follow with that child. That's great too. Those children were being given a carefully guided, well thought out, superior education as children of diplomats, as a diplomat, I would expect no less. I wonder if
we catered to Army bratts the same way. That I don't know, but I doubt it. (but I digress)
As ObserverNY has adeptly pointed out, this programme is not a good fit for American school, especially schools here on Long Island. As Tina also agrees, the course is expensive. Given that in my school district alone we have just recently shut down 2 elementary schools. After just opening up one only in
2000, to now shut it down in 2012. We used to purposely afford 6 elementary schools for the sake of
smaller class sizes, which is the best way to educate a child. We had to let go of so many teachers and support staff from both elementary schools, but we have cut other programs district wide.
Disgustingly enough, the IB programme, with all it's expense, was kept. The Super for Curriculum in order to justify the programme (when we already have a recognized EXCELLENT AP honors program, and we churn out year after year AP honors and awards like crazy) counted seats, not heads, to make it appear that there was an increase in IB enrollment. Sickening, just sickening.
I don't actually care how many of you, with all your left leaning values, who come in here and spew your un-patriotic acid attacks, that's just your problem, you'll need to figure that out in your life, sorry to say.
One of our idiotic board of ed members, (a guy who can't find his way out of a paper bag actually) has the nerve to say to a news publication speaking about his VISION for our district. He admitted that he actually wants to bring IB into our middle schools. His VISION! Of all the arrogance!
Of course, we have many parents in this district that are so superficial that they will be humping his leg in excitement over the lovely packaging this district tends to wrap this programme in. The highly prized and saught after IB programme, Oooooo, Aahhhhh! They prove to be shallow thinkers in most everything else around here anyway, so thats easy to predict. Mr. Rogers, "welcome to my neighborhood" won't be getting very far now that I am back in the picture.
Besides everything else we already know, discuss, fight about. I know something more. I understand the layering effect this programme is going to cause for our tax dollars. I know about how much more bureaucratic entrenchment this progamme from state to state will cause and wreak havoc on our wallets. Many of you people reading this cannot afford your own life, are living outside your means, are
just getting by, losing your homes, and that is a fact. I am doing fine, but not great anymore. I don't want one red cent of my family budget to go towards superfilous programmes like IB.
If little Sally wants to take a non-mandated programme, if her parents want her to be educated with such a rigorous and exhausting schedule to prove how the coveted IB programme is so much more superior, let them pay for it out of their own pockets or become diplomats.
One girl, a junior last year, makes her a senior this year, sent out a flyer to all the elementary students. One landed up in my child's backpack. I opened it up to see that she wrote several paragraphs about the flyer on one side and a photo of hungry children from some needy country on the left side. She said she was an IB student and she was trying to raise money for these children. Her flyer was full of misspelled words, run on sentences, she didn't know the diffence between the homophones aloud and allowed. I mean, this is what we kept but closed two elementary schools to save money for?
Her IB teacher should not have let her send out that flyer without proof reading it. Her flyer sounded really illiterate, I am sorry to say. I am also sorry that there are starving children across the globe, but in the USA there are also many causes, like starving Veterans, which never get attention, especially from our youth, and especially coming out of our public high schools. Where I come from, charity begins at home!!!!!!! GET RID OF IB! Especially here on Long Island. Our taxes are too grossly high to begin with!!!!
In order to keep this thread from swirling down the galactic wormhole of Progressive distraction, I think it is important to focus on two key concepts as they relate to IB and American public education:
<B>
TRUTH & LIBERTY
</B>
When it comes to IB, a program which claims it promote "inquiry" and requires teachers to integrate TOK into every course, it is hypocrisy of the nth order that actual discussion about IB, its regulations, its credibility and its limitations, are verboten.
For fun, I have an exercise for anyone interested. Try and post a non-positive comment about IB or the activities it supports on one of its IB Blogs. Mind you, I am not encouraging spamming or foul language, simply post an opinion that disagrees with the featured blog. It will be censored and deleted.
Is that what we want for our children? An educational system that only allows the "good worker bees" who agree with the Statists to be showcased? Should all forms of dissent and freedom of expression be squashed? I may not agree with the folks in OWS and I certainly don't support violence, but I will stand for their right to peaceably assemble and for their freedom of speech.
This is why I oppose IBO with such passion, because I love my American Constitutional liberties with an even greater passion. The way to "a better world" is not by forcing everyone to accept a global socialist regime/ideology, but to defend and celebrate our American freedoms and encourage other countries to realize that the documents crafted by our Founding Fathers serve as the bedrock of liberty and justice for all.
It is imperative that we defend our sovereignty as a nation. To allow the UN to undermine our sovereign state is to spit on the graves of every veteran who died in the name of freedom. Our children must be taught the value of our Constitution, what it stands for, and how the future will be worse for their children if we allow this magnificent Federal Republic to be destroyed.
I can't agree with you more. This product called IB probably did start out for all the right reasons, to cater to children of diplomats. If I was a diplomat with children, I would enjoy the idea that there would always be another satelite IB school for my child so that his or her educational continuity was maintained at all costs. Great! But sadly, today, this benign concept has morphed into something far more insidious. Therefore, to bring it here, defiantly, arms folded, refusing to consider the implications to our tax dollars and our wallets, is proof enough for me that it has a very nefarious nature.
Superintendents, especially here on Long Island, with all of the layering of Asst. to the Asst. to the Asst. positions, they only see dollar signs with this programme. They lick their lips and wring their hands just lapping up the plausable growth of this programme in our district and the long term implications of tax dollars it will generate into their bank accounts.
ObserverNY, I know you are here to stay, you have proven that low these past 8 plus years, but now I too have joined you, and I will dig my heals in and wake up the sleeping majority in this town, people sick and tired of working hard and watching the big wigs make bank on their blood sweat and tears.
Enough is enough!
I think that the bottom line here is that the buck stops here. Tinawina has already admitted that she understands this
programme was designed to cater to children of diplomats. These privilaged students were exposed to all types of strange cultural differences. To address that, the IB schools created a platform of respect, with all these differences, every culture can be right. Sounds fair enough. Tinawina also explained that inside those IB schools there is no way the IB programme would ever make a declaration that one nation is superior over another, and on and on from there.
Tina explained that diplomats children could go from one IB school to another and continuity would follow with that child. That's great too. Those children were being given a carefully guided, well thought out, superior education as children of diplomats, as a diplomat, I would expect no less. I wonder if
we catered to Army bratts the same way. That I don't know, but I doubt it. (but I digress)
As ObserverNY has adeptly pointed out, this programme is not a good fit for American school, especially schools here on Long Island. As Tina also agrees, the course is expensive. Given that in my school district alone we have just recently shut down 2 elementary schools. After just opening up one only in
2000, to now shut it down in 2012. We used to purposely afford 6 elementary schools for the sake of
smaller class sizes, which is the best way to educate a child. We had to let go of so many teachers and support staff from both elementary schools, but we have cut other programs district wide.
Disgustingly enough, the IB programme, with all it's expense, was kept. The Super for Curriculum in order to justify the programme (when we already have a recognized EXCELLENT AP honors program, and we churn out year after year AP honors and awards like crazy) counted seats, not heads, to make it appear that there was an increase in IB enrollment. Sickening, just sickening.
I don't actually care how many of you, with all your left leaning values, who come in here and spew your un-patriotic acid attacks, that's just your problem, you'll need to figure that out in your life, sorry to say.
One of our idiotic board of ed members, (a guy who can't find his way out of a paper bag actually) has the nerve to say to a news publication speaking about his VISION for our district. He admitted that he actually wants to bring IB into our middle schools. His VISION! Of all the arrogance!
Of course, we have many parents in this district that are so superficial that they will be humping his leg in excitement over the lovely packaging this district tends to wrap this programme in. The highly prized and saught after IB programme, Oooooo, Aahhhhh! They prove to be shallow thinkers in most everything else around here anyway, so thats easy to predict. Mr. Rogers, "welcome to my neighborhood" won't be getting very far now that I am back in the picture.
Besides everything else we already know, discuss, fight about. I know something more. I understand the layering effect this programme is going to cause for our tax dollars. I know about how much more bureaucratic entrenchment this progamme from state to state will cause and wreak havoc on our wallets. Many of you people reading this cannot afford your own life, are living outside your means, are
just getting by, losing your homes, and that is a fact. I am doing fine, but not great anymore. I don't want one red cent of my family budget to go towards superfilous programmes like IB.
If little Sally wants to take a non-mandated programme, if her parents want her to be educated with such a rigorous and exhausting schedule to prove how the coveted IB programme is so much more superior, let them pay for it out of their own pockets or become diplomats.
One girl, a junior last year, makes her a senior this year, sent out a flyer to all the elementary students. One landed up in my child's backpack. I opened it up to see that she wrote several paragraphs about the flyer on one side and a photo of hungry children from some needy country on the left side. She said she was an IB student and she was trying to raise money for these children. Her flyer was full of misspelled words, run on sentences, she didn't know the diffence between the homophones aloud and allowed. I mean, this is what we kept but closed two elementary schools to save money for?
Her IB teacher should not have let her send out that flyer without proof reading it. Her flyer sounded really illiterate, I am sorry to say. I am also sorry that there are starving children across the globe, but in the USA there are also many causes, like starving Veterans, which never get attention, especially from our youth, and especially coming out of our public high schools. Where I come from, charity begins at home!!!!!!! GET RID OF IB! Especially here on Long Island. Our taxes are too grossly high to begin with!!!!
No need to point out the irony here.
Is this really the best ringer you could find, OP? Not helping your case any, I'm afraid.
If you insult people, a la
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I don't actually care how many of you, with all your left leaning values, who come in here and spew your un-patriotic acid attacks, that's just your problem, you'll need to figure that out in your life, sorry to say
you lose them. You're not going to win over the leg-humping-acid throwing-un patriotic-left leaning parents with this nonsense.
Any legitimate beef you may have is completely lost. The more you guys post, the more attractive you make IB sound - because if this poster is any indication of the caliber of IB opponents, then I'm all for it.
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