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Old 08-25-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: TX
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Originally Posted by transatlantic View Post
OP, you need to worry less about theoretical babies and more about the real ones who are already there.
1. Far fewer people are trying to kill the latter.
2. How do you figure she doesn't care more for babies who have already born, exactly?

 
Old 08-25-2012, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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Wait, so now "having no insurance" is a reason for abortion? God help us all. P.S. Every hospital in America has charity care.
This thread has proven one thing : you make a whole lot of assumptions about things that you do not know much about. I have been the victim of a violent rape, and I have also sought charity care to help with medical expenses when I was diagnosed with Stage IV lymphoma a month after my 23rd birthday. Charity care at every hospital, my tush.

When I had my miscarriage, I had to pay for that using every bit of birthday and babysitting money that was meant to get me through college for the past several years. No charity care for a 17 year old whose "job" was to get scholarships to school (which I was successful at with over $40,000 for all 4 years of school - something I would never have been able to achieve had I been pregnant and suicidal my senior year of college), even though my parents were unemployed. I still had to pay for the ER visit and medications.

I had to pay for years of therapy as well. No charity care for that. Imagine the therapy if I was forced to relive the rape every day with pregnancy?

But you would want a 17 year old rape victim to find some way of paying for a pregnancy? Or any rape victim? Even where there is charity care, there's not enough to go around. Even those who are insured often have policies that exclude pregnancy and childbirth to keep the rates down.

And what of complicated pregnancies? What charity care is there to keep a roof over someone's head if the pregnancy requires bedrest? I had to work full time through chemo against doctor's orders because - guess what - there is none. Disability has strict requirements and that is not one of them.

You cannot claim compassion for victims of rape and incest by putting all of these burdens on them. An easy pregnancy is upwards of $10,000. A difficult one is easily over $100,000. And that's not counting the very serious emotional and psychological implications for a woman who was just used, and now is being told by society that she doesn't matter - she just needs to be used again as an incubator.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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lol if charity care worked nobody would go broke over medical care
 
Old 08-25-2012, 07:38 AM
 
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I don't like Sarah Palin. But I admire her. She has the moral courage to stand by her convictions on beeing Pro Life. She gave birth to a baby with Down Syndrome, knowing full well she could have terminated the pregnancy. Her teeenage daughter, gets knocked up, and again, the family makes a pro life choice.

But that is the key issue, choice. They chose to have those children. I admire her, but I don't agree with her philosophy that she or anyone should take a personal medical decision away from a woman. It is a medical procedure, not a political ideology.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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How about in the case of maternal life?
I mean abortion is abortion.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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How about in the case of maternal life?
I mean abortion is abortion.
I'm anti death penalty. I do not believe anyone has the right to take the life of another.........except in the rare case of self defense.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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Interesting analogy. How come so many Pro Life folks are also Pro death penalty? After all, a life is a life.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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I'm anti death penalty. I do not believe anyone has the right to take the life of another.........except in the rare case of self defense.
So a woman should be allowed to die from medical complications from a pregnancy?
What about tubal pregnancy? It is still a life, even though it will almost always kill the woman.
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy View Post
What did I lie about?

How is abortion a "right"? And can you name one other "right" that results in death 100% of the time when exercised correctly?
You lied when you said I condoned murder....but being a good christian I'm sure you'll squirm out of that.


Abortion is a right. Women have a right to their own bodies .


YOU want bigger government to come between women and their doctors.

I want a law passed that has YOUR personal life exposed so that everyone can control, regulate, criticize your every move so you don't do anything anyone else considers wrong( like lying)....fair enough???
 
Old 08-25-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Interesting analogy. How come so many Pro Life folks are also Pro death penalty? After all, a life is a life.
I would guess for the same reason many anti-death penalty people are pro-choice.
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