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Old 09-01-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Pro-aborts say:
A fetus is not a human life.

Todd Akin believed a medical myth:
The female body has the ability to "shut that thing down."

Both of these are equally ignorant.

Each seeks to escape the truth of a violent act.

Why is one worse than the other?
Pro-choicers do not deny it's a life. They deny that the live fetus should be granted rights that supersede those of the mother. Who in the world would deny the fetus is "alive?" Sperm is alive and it is certainly human in some sense. Therefore, does sperm have a "right to life?"
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Correct. I am still waiting for someone to tell me which "life threatening" conditions to the mother would warrant aborting her child. Not holding my breath....
Severe placental abruption is one reason to abort, coma of the mother in some situations is another.

Abortion saved my life - Salon.com
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Abortion takes a life.
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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Abortion takes a life.
Indeed it does. Now that we have established your standard, I take that not only would you oppose war and the death penalty, but you would certainly oppose abortions in the case of rape and incest. In fact, I would assume that you would even favor disallowing abortion in a situation where a baby would be born but the mother would die. After all, who among us would say that in a choice between the life of a child and the life of an adult, the child should die?
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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Correct. I am still waiting for someone to tell me which "life threatening" conditions to the mother would warrant aborting her child. Not holding my breath....
If the mother has a fast-spreading uterine cancer, the surgery to remove the cancer may result in the loss of the child’s life. In an ectopic pregnancy the child is developing outside the uterus.

There are other situations where an expectant mother has a serious or even terminal medical condition. Her pregnancy may cause complications, but will not cause her death. If she is receiving radiation therapy, she may be told that the child could have handicaps as a result.

There are also other medical reasons to have an abortion.

Medical Reasons For Abortions | LIVESTRONG.COM

If a miscarriage is imminent, it may be safer to abort.
While it is a matter of choice in the case of some birth defects, for severe defects like trisomy 13 or Potter's syndrome, there is little chance of the baby surviving and the baby will suffer during it's short life.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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I am Pro Choice but someone said, "It's not life until it's born"

Okay, lets say your wife got pregnant, was very excited, gave the baby a name, knitted booties, painted the nursery, bought all her baby clothes, had a baby shower, ect.

Then one day, she miscarried and lost the baby. Are you going to tell HER that that was not a life until it became viable outside her womb?

Whether I agree with abortion or not, that is a human life. It isnt going to grow into a frog or a zebra, or a turtle or a chicken, it's going to grow into a human.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Todd Akin was speaking for himself, not the Republican Party. It was his belief and his alone. But you people jumped on the chance to say, "See? See? Republicans ... blah, blah, blah."

Actually, what Akin was trying to say, but couldn't make his point, was that a life is a life. He explained, though poorly, that he believed pregnancy was rare in the case of a violent act of rape (a myth), but he in no way was attempting to diminish the crime.

The worst Akin can be accused of is ignorance of medical fact (he believed a myth).

Those who are pro-abortion (the choice comes before intercourse) believe the myth that a baby is something other than human life. They are equally ignorant, or they choose to believe that to assuage their guilt.

Abortion is just as violent an act as rape, and results in the death of a child.
I found it confusing that Akin is against abortion but seemed to be saying in the case of rape, nature (the human body) triggers an abortion. Which would be all kinds of problematic for pro-lifers were it actually, you know, accurate.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Your anology is absurd.

The "choice" happens before intercourse. Pregnancy does not happen until you choose to have sex. Sex brings with it the risk of pregnancy. You take the responsibility for that pregnancy.

Having an abortion after the fact makes you "pro-abortion." You want to "choose" after a new life has already begun.
I'm sure this would come as a surprise to all the pro-life women who have had abortions.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Nobody is forcing anything. The choice here should be whether to have sex or not, to use protection or not. Not whether to kill the being THEY created through free will.
Yeah, preaching abstinence works.
Look into those areas that teach abstinence only, they have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

And no form of BC is 100% effective.

So, if abortion becomes illegal how would we handle the million plus children that are born instead of aborted every year?

School costs will go up, welfare costs will go up, the foster care system costs will go up, so your taxes will go up. It really is that simple.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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No one is pro abortion, just pro giving a woman a right to make her own choice, the government does not belong in our bodies.

Also Akin is a sitting congressman showing a blatant sign of ignorance that shouldn't be tolerated in office.
the If you are for a woman using abortion you are most certainly pro abortion.And you are just fine with government deciding to say its ok to do to someones body.
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