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Old 09-04-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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2+2 degrees with first two being at community college should be the norm.

Every state should have a law that all universities receiving 1 cent or greater state aid MUST accept CC work for 100 and 200 level coursework and that said universities and community colleges will coordinate requirements.

My nephew got screwed when his university accepted less than half his CC courses even with a GPA just under 3.5. Note ZERO courses were remedial or basketweaving 101... etc.
I agree 100%.

The JUCO around here is one of the best in the country and has streamlined programs into the various state universities so you know ahead of time what they will accept.

JUCO is one of the few ways to truly get through school in a cost efficient manner.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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College and student loans is a huge trap considering only 56% of those that enter college actually graduate in 6 years.
It's even worse for the 2 year degree..only 29% graduate.

The US is now LAST in global standings regarding the percentage of college students that actually graduate.
Study: Nearly Half Of America's College Students Drop Out Before Receiving A Degree | ThinkProgress


Congratulations, the Race to the Bottom is compete. The US has won.
And as ever, TX seems to be "leading" that race.

The State Of Texas’ Children: Low Graduation Rates, High Poverty

BTW, IMHO, college and student loans have increasingly become "employment options" for some h.s. grads, in the same way that joining the military (and recruiting incentive$) have become for others.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And as ever, TX seems to be "leading" that race.

The State Of Texas’ Children: Low Graduation Rates, High Poverty
Well it doesn't help that Texas has 3 of the 10 most poorest counties in the US.
CA is worse than us.

Take a good look at the demographics of TX and CA and this is your future.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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Well it doesn't help that Texas has 3 of the 10 most poorest counties in the US.
CA is worse than us.

Take a good look at the demographics of TX and CA and this is your future.
You'll have that with a large influx of people coming here illegaly
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You'll have that with a large influx of people coming here illegaly
Yes that is the reason. I didn't come out and say it because I wanted that poster to look at the demographics and come to that conclusion themselves.

Just look to CA and TX to see what your future will be like as the influx moves north.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I studied the "hard" sciences in college but I have found discussions of history, art and psychology to be more interesting as the years have passed even if I still use these sciences every day.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The administration wanted a more educated workforce.
But making money easily available (student loans) is not the way.
There's a reason the government took over student loans.

Schools raise tuition so the government hands out more money in loans.
Government hands out more money in loans so the schools raise tuition.

Get rid of student loans altogether because that is not the way to get a more educated society.
Only 56% of college student actually graduate (4 year) and only 29% graduate (2 year).
Watch the tuition/fees come down as only those who can pay will go. And when colleges see their enrollments drop drastically they will do something otherwise they'd have to close shop.

Anything the government gets it's hands into and subsidizes turns into a bubble, an unsustainable bubble.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Colleges also need more real world professionals teaching in degree related classes.

anecdotal I know but my CPA accounting teacher was FAR superior and on a more real world level than my accounting professor. There were others.
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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Yes that is the reason. I didn't come out and say it because I wanted that poster to look at the demographics and come to that conclusion themselves.

Just look to CA and TX to see what your future will be like as the influx moves north.
LOL, sorry but I think the poster in question knew the answer also
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Old 09-04-2012, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Colleges also need more real world professionals teaching in degree related classes.

anecdotal I know but my CPA accounting teacher was FAR superior and on a more real world level than my accounting professor. There were others.
But those in education frown upon and look down at those that worked in industry before moving over to teaching. Education is in its own little world where everything works on paper and in theory. People who come from industry talk reality and they don't like that.
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