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If my taxes were solely funding my local schools, roads, social services, etc. I would not have as much of a problem with them as I do.
I am thoroughly disgusted that my tax money funds federal bureaucrats, affirmative action programs, welfare programs that are abused, no child left behind, undeclared wars, taxpayer funded bureaucrat vacations, and the list goes on.
Another sick feature of our tax system is property taxes. If I get a $250,000 mortgage, I probably pay close to $100,00 in interest until I "own" my property, but if I don't pay my dues to the state every year, even if I own that house, the bank/state will foreclose on me.
We have no private property rights left in this country, yet we are too busy with "fantasy foootball" "keeping up with the kardashians", and "we need other people to redistribute their wealth so I can buy shrimp, lobster, x-box, and jordans for my child" to actually do something about this oppression.
Be grateful you own your home, homeowners enjoy preferential property tax rates in any states. For example, in Michigan, the school property tax rate on rental property is four times the rate on owner-occupied homes. For over 10 years, I lived in a house that had an extra $1,200/yr property tax because it was a rental.
Here is a chart that shows the share people pay in all taxes, local, state, and federal, compared to their share of the income...
Meanwhile, this chart shows who are the TAKERS. And who are the tax SLAVES (anyone who receives LESS in government services and benefits than they pay in taxes is a slave)...
And it's parents who are consuming vastly more than childless adults, so your one-household-type-fits-all chart is misleading.
Childless adults in the bottom 20% aren't taking a whole lot from government unless they are criminals or druggies.
But the purchase of those items provides JOBS for others.
Think about it...
We all know what happened the last time the Dems tried to tax disposable income... They killed off an entire U.S. industry, jobs and all. Shipwrecked In New Jersey
Better to start taxing people before they have disposable income?
You can put up 100 pictures of how businesses use government services and somehow try to say that because a business uses government services, the owner didn't build that business, and it will still be a wrong premise. Obama did not say, "if you own a business, you use government services." Everyone would have agreed with that statement. Instead, he said that if you own a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else had a hand in it. BS!
The government doesn't provide the services for the sole purpose of making that business successful. The owner pays for those services. The government provides roads, utilities (for which we ALL pay), etc. because we are not a third world country, because early on we decided to be a society that is advanced. The government would still provide the services even if that business did not exist. No one from the government had a hand in creating the business plan for the business. No one from the government is shouldering the losses, except it gets less taxes because the business is not successful, and whether or not the business is successful, the government expects the taxes to be paid. No one from the government is working 7 days a week, sometimes 24 hours a day to make the business successful. No one from the government is paying the insurance costs, payroll, equipment charges, repairs.
I am giving Obama the benefit of the doubt that he just misspoke, and he is having to wear it, just like any other politician that says something they realize they should not have said. After all, business is really, really, needed in America, and I don't think Obama would shoot himself in the foot by saying and really meaning something like what he said. And really, his comment is a thing of the past, but people just keep bringing it up, justifying in some way his comments.
For the rest of your message, we completely agree. The class envy in some of these messages is pretty shocking. I deal with the extremely poor in medical and other situations, and I am surrounded by the extremely rich, so I know how both live. Why don't we start with the extremely rich who are staunch Democrats and support Obama--take away their wealth first--let them set the great example of putting skin in the game as Obama called for when he was elected. One thing I know about the extremely rich, they don't really like to be outdone by other extremely rich when it comes to giving.
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Originally Posted by jwkilgore
Back to the original post: If you take money from "me" and say it's now "ours", this IS taking money from me no matter how you spin it. I no longer control how the money is spent. Because I don't fully agree with 100% of the government programs out there, this means that there's a 100% chance that some of what was formerly "my" money will be spent in ways I disagree with. In this matter, I completely disagree with the OP and most of the liberal participants in this thread.
- One more graphic is valid here, although it's really a rebuttal to a Republican rebuttal to something Obama said that was taken out of context. Think you don't use government services? Think again:
In regards to taxes. The subject line is a statement made by Grover Norquist. Grover was attempting to vilify President Obama by saying he was taking something (taxes) that was not his and giving it to someone else.
NOT TRUE at all. We all for the most part pay taxes. I pay and you pay and others pay. Once taxes are paid in;then they belong to all of us.
A lame attempt to separate us as Americans. What a low life he is.imo.
What you do not address is that part of the amount that we pay is due to this.
This is before the fact, not after it.
Better to start taxing people before they have disposable income?
Maybe the government can just take everything before we get it and send back the part they think we need.
Not too far fetched nowadays.
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