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Old 09-13-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Seizure of assets without due process? hmmm too bad King George isn't around to witness America come full circle
There is due process, it's just a civil case, not a criminal case.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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I'm sure you're joking with that analogy, but in case you weren't....the difference is: You were lent the money to buy something of worth to the bank - your house. Not to mention the fact that at the time you signed the papers, I'm pretty certain you showed proof to the bank that you were capable, and were in fact supporting yourself.

Someone on welfare is NOT apparently capable of supporting themselves, at least at that moment in time, and therefore is procuring what amounts to a signature loan from the government....only this loan doesn't have to paid back. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to consider ensuring that this bounty...coming from taxpayer monies....isn't being pi$$ed away on a drug or alcohol habit.

Wouldn't you say?
He said he owned the welfare recipient.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:44 PM
 
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There is due process, it's just a civil case, not a criminal case.
oh okay

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It’s a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property — not a person — is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don’t apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds

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Old 09-13-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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The Obama Administration through the Justice Department has given the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) the authority to “seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses.” In effect: those who are convicted of crimes involving alcohol and/or substance abusers will have their right to bear arms revoked.
This is not news!
Federal forfeiture and seizure have been part of the war on drugs since the 80's! ATF and the FBI have been using confiscated EVERYTHING for decades now, from houses and factory buildings on down! Guns are just a minor part of it compared to all the mansions, Escalades, jewelry, cash, computer networks, boats, airplanes, and all the other stuff that's been seized.

If I was a pot grower, I wouldn't spend a second worrying about my roscoe. I can get another gun in an hour. But the pot factory in that old body shop downtown would worry me to pieces!
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Reason #590 why pot should be federally legalized... until then, I'm grateful to live in one of the few states where it already is (for medical users like myself & de-criminalized for everyone else).

And I'm not even a fan of guns, but I think the general restrictions are sufficient enough!
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:48 PM
 
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oh okay
The government has to sue the object- and by extension the owner, you have your day in court.
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