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Old 09-21-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Daily Kos: Headlines about Romney coal ad focus on miners forced to serve as unpaid prop at Romney speech

At a campaign rally that Romney held in Ohio, with a backdrop of miners, the miners were there because they were forced to be there, unpaid. And believe it or not, it seems that forcing workers to attend campaign rallys unpaid "could be" illegal

This should be a criminal violation of both labor laws and election laws and we shouldn't have to ask if it is

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Old 09-21-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The miners have a union. I'm sure the union would act on anything "forced" although if they were getting paid while attending no one may balk at all.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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The miners have a union. I'm sure the union would act on anything "forced" although if they were getting paid while attending no one may balk at all.
I don't care if they have a union. That shouldn't make any difference. Forcing employees to attend campaign events like that should be a criminal violation of both labor and election laws.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don't care if they have a union. That shouldn't make any difference. Forcing employees to attend campaign events like that should be a criminal violation of both labor and election laws.
Should be a violation or is a violation ?
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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Allegedly it was mandatory. But nowhere does it say that Romney made anything mandatory or had any input on the mine owner's direction setting to his employees. I find it difficult to believe that a Union shop would comply with anything that didnt result in getting paid.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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Allegedly it was mandatory. But nowhere does it say that Romney made anything mandatory or had any input on the mine owner's direction setting to his employees. I find it difficult to believe that a Union shop would comply with anything that didnt result in getting paid.
I never said Romney had anything to do with it. In fact normally I would just assume the candidate didn't know but after his remark about the 47% I'm not so sure
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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The miners have a union. I'm sure the union would act on anything "forced" although if they were getting paid while attending no one may balk at all.
You assume that they are members of the UMW or that the mine is a party to a union contract, which I doubt.
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:52 PM
 
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Daily Kos: Headlines about Romney coal ad focus on miners forced to serve as unpaid prop at Romney speech

At a campaign rally that Romney held in Ohio, with a backdrop of miners, the miners were there because they were forced to be there, unpaid. And believe it or not, it seems that forcing workers to attend campaign rallys unpaid "could be" illegal

This should be a criminal violation of both labor laws and election laws and we shouldn't have to ask if it is

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Only if they were required by their employer and thenn it is their employers responsibility.
No Romney story here.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You assume that they are members of the UMW or that the mine is a party to a union contract, which I doubt.
You're right, I did assume here. I just read a few more articles on this and none of them mention a union.
This was between mgmt and the employees.

Sounds like they might have a case if they have something in writing. Emotions won't carry much weight in court. "I feel like I might get fired."

Mgmt says that nobody was forced to attend while the workers said they were.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:07 PM
 
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Even funnier - Rob Moore, CFO of Murray Energy Company, which owns the mine, said, "Our managers communicated to our workforce that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend."

Mandatory, but no one forced to attend. I wonder if Rob knows what the word "mandatory" means. Or perhaps he meant that no one was physically bound, gagged and propped up.

The president of our company used to have republicans running for local office at our company all the time to come and speak. We were paid for attending and there was certainly no pressure applied. We were free to attend or not.
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