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Old 10-01-2012, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Cheerleaders in a Texas town will be allowed to include Bible and religious messages on signs at sporting events after receiving a temporary restraining order against a high school’s ban.

The Kountze Independent School District banned the messages this month after the Freedom From Religion Foundation accused it of violating the Constitution.


Read more: Texas cheerleaders win restraining order to allow Bible verses on banners at high school football games | Fox News
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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What sheltered lives they live.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Suppression and banning is not the way to go.

How do these activist groups find these issues in small towns across the US ?
If the people of the town are fine with it then let them be.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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It seems those fighting for the ban say the right words but are incapable of understanding what they mean.

“School as a form of government must be neutral and include all viewpoints and not offend any viewpoints at that school,” he added.

Just because all viewpoints must be allowed all viewpoints do not have to be presented at one time. There would be a problem here if someone wanted to include a different religious quote and were not allowed. Based upon the article we can not say that is happening.

Nowhere did the courts say that there is a right to not be offended though. There are PETA members who are offended at signs that read "Go Hilltoppers Beat the Wildcats".
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:38 AM
 
Location: TX
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Does anyone have a direct response to the following?

Dan Barker, a member of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, disagreed.

“There’s a difference between free speech and government speech,” he said. “When those cheerleaders are wearing the uniform, when they’re at an official public high school event, they are not speaking for themselves -- they are representing the school, which has a diversity of viewpoints.”

“School as a form of government must be neutral and include all viewpoints and not offend any viewpoints at that school,” he added.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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Does anyone have a direct response to the following?
I believe I did already.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:42 AM
 
Location: TX
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Just because all viewpoints must be allowed all viewpoints do not have to be presented at one time. There would be a problem here if someone wanted to include a different religious quote and were not allowed. Based upon the article we can not say that is happening.
It'd take a lot of guts to put something from another religion on a banner. For fear of both blatant and hidden retaliation from what is obviously a Christian majority.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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It'd take a lot of guts to put something from another religion on a banner. For fear of both blatant and hidden retaliation from what is obviously a Christian majority.
Yes, they would all likely riot and burn the school down.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Knightsbridge
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It'd take a lot of guts to put something from another religion on a banner. For fear of both blatant and hidden retaliation from what is obviously a Christian majority.
There is no constitutional guarantee for your free speech to be free from consequences. You have the right to disagree with the majority and they have the right to disagree with you. Probably louder as there is more of them than you.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:54 AM
 
Location: TX
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Yes, they would all likely riot and burn the school down.
But anything less dramatic than that would be okay, yes?

No, I don't think religion should be promoted at a high school football game. I agree with Dan Barker that the cheerleaders are representing the school and therefore should leave personal beliefs that do not speak for all students out of it. What I was really looking for was an answer to the argument that these cheerleaders are not speaking for themselves while wearing the uniform at a high school game; they're speaking for the school. The banner is all about what the school supposedly believes. It's quite a misrepresentation, on many counts.

ETA: I actually was one of the defenders of a student's right to bring their bible to and pray at school, BTW. This is quite different, as previously explained.
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