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Old 10-09-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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within the zoo industry?

To be honest with you, I'd love to see all zoos closed down....and that goes for circuses that have animals performing.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:59 PM
 
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I suppose you advocate for animal rights. To what extent should humans protect the sanctity of animal rights within the zoo industry?
I find it hard to equate animal rights with the principals regarding libeterianism.

Animal rights are an ethical stance, not a goverment stance. So depending on where you fall on the ethics, you may sway on your goverment involvement.

No Libetarian, for example, would advocate for the idea that you can own people. . .as its ethically wrong.



So no, as a LIbeterian, I advocate for minimal goverment and have no real opinion on animal rights. I have a annual pass for the Denver Zoo, love taking my kids. . .
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Animals don't have rights. A right is something can only be claimed or possession of asserted by the individual to whom the right falls to. Animals can't do this - they can however be protected by human advocacy.

Regulation that intrudes on private property rights is wrong - protecting animals can be done through education and policies that promote the proper care and treatment of animals under human stewardship.

The golden rule applies - and it is true that a society can be judged by the way it treats its animals.

I think that we can agree on common sense standards of treatment of animals that respects their life and promotes property rights.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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To be honest with you, I'd love to see all zoos closed down....and that goes for circuses that have animals performing.
No more New York City?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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If you're a libertarian, it means you're for personal responsibility and rights. There should be no federal laws for animal rights.

Doesn't mean you can't support state animal rights laws, just not federal.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Libertarianism isn't incompatable with animal rights. I consider myself a small "L" libertarian and I believe that every living, conscious being has the right to be protected. Most libertarians believe that one of the only fundamental functions of the government is to provide protection for the lives of it's inhabitant against threats, both foreign and domestic. An abusive person would be a domestic threat...animals have lives...therefore their lives are under a domestic threat subject to protection from the government, i.e., animal rights laws. I see no incompatability.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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Animals don't have rights. A right is something can only be claimed or possession of asserted by the individual to whom the right falls to. Animals can't do this - they can however be protected by human advocacy.

Regulation that intrudes on private property rights is wrong - protecting animals can be done through education and policies that promote the proper care and treatment of animals under human stewardship.

The golden rule applies - and it is true that a society can be judged by the way it treats its animals.

I think that we can agree on common sense standards of treatment of animals that respects their life and promotes property rights.
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(ZOO ANIMALS) A chimpanzee at the Welsh Mountain Zoo made a heartbreaking plea for freedom when he used what appears to be sign language to ask people to open his cage. Passerbys noticed the chimp gesturing and tapping on the window. This isn’t the first instance when a wild animal in captivity has tried to escape his situation. Read on to find out more about this chimp’s desperate bid for freedom and why this is just one more reason why wildlife should not be in captivity. — Global Animal
Chimpanzee At Welsh Zoo Uses Sign Language To Communicate | Global Animal
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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No more New York City?

LOL....no I guess not.

But, from MY perspective then there wouldn't be an LA either!!

HUGE cities are all zoos in my book.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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If you're a libertarian, it means you're for personal responsibility and rights. There should be no federal laws for animal rights.

Doesn't mean you can't support state animal rights laws, just not federal.

Ok....I'd be on board then with that.

As I said I never gave this topic much thought so I'm learning here.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Libertarianism isn't incompatable with animal rights. I consider myself a small "L" libertarian and I believe that every living, conscious being has the right to be protected. Most libertarians believe that one of the only fundamental functions of the government is to provide protection for the lives of it's inhabitant against threats, both foreign and domestic. An abusive person would be a domestic threat...animals have lives...therefore their lives are under a domestic threat subject to protection from the government, i.e., animal rights laws. I see no incompatability.

I can also see this point of view.
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