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Old 10-13-2012, 03:10 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by other99 View Post
It takes so much guts for someone to kill themselves. They are not wimps. There has been a different level of bullying these days compared to before as a lot of it is cyber related.
I disagree - killing oneself is the easy way out.

Also - circumstances that drive people to consider death by their own hand has not actually become worse.

Choosing life is always best.

I know - I have been where this girl was - different circumstances - but same desire. I can still think back and remember specific instances when I almost "pulled the trigger(term used figuratively because I was pondering other methods) - and I remmember one time where I nearly did it - and if I had followed through, I would not be typing what I am today.

Things have not become worse - but support systems have been eroded, IMO. You need to have a reason to live - and that reason often equates to other people. If your friends and family have essentially ignored you - I can imagine a state where death seems like the best option.

Don't do it.

 
Old 10-13-2012, 03:20 AM
 
Location: California
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I disagree - killing oneself is the easy way out.

Also - circumstances that drive people to consider death by their own hand has not actually become worse.

Choosing life is always best.
When you get to the point where you commit suiicde there is no more rational thougt so we can't apply logic to it.

It pains me to no end to think of anyone killing themselves over something that I, as a rational thinking person with life experience, know is a temporary bump in the road. Too bad I can't control someones mind, but alas.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The issue with that is that some home schooled kids are seriously lacking in social skills because they are sheltered all day. These are the kind of skills you develop when you have to deal with the good, bad, and ugly.
You are clearly drawing an uninformed caricature of home schooled children.

Some of the most understanding of other cultures, socially adept, and streetwise people I have known were homeschooled - and they learned those skills because they had the opportunity to interact with the real world rather then be esconsed in a classroom day after day with 30 other people.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Yes yes yes...stand up for yourself. BUT address the problem as presented. Blackmail, internet slander, twitter, stalking, etc. A little girl can't fight back against that. Either can you.
Explain, please.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I agree with you that some people here, on this forum, demonstrate similar behavior, especially when they disagree with somebody politically. And I mean they have similar behavior, but maybe not necessarily as severe on the spectrum as Amanda Todd's tormentors. .
I will reccommend a good book that I think that you will appreciate, because the author describes a "continuum" of sociopathic behavior" that has different levels of impact.

It is Signature Killers(1997) by Robert Keppel.

While focusing on serial killers - the book makes the point that your idea of a "spectrum" exists - and that the same factors that produce serial killers also influence people who engage in "lesser" but still sociopathic behavior.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp...w=1280&bih=899

I own the paperback version - but Google Books is a good start.

Read Section 26 of the Google Books preview - especially page 335 - I believe that Mr. Keppel there goes to the heart of what you are trying to say.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 04:13 AM
 
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Kids are mean and have NO RESPECT now and its sickeniing and sad...
 
Old 10-13-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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Blaming the victim?
Not at all. Blaming the parents? Hell yes.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 11:38 AM
 
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What I do believe is that there were pornographic photos of a teenaged girl that were being used as blackmail towards that girl to get more pictures out of her, and then were circulated amongst her peers online with the implicit intent of causing her emotional distress.
Oh boo-hoo.....

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Are you opposed to child porn laws? Is that an issue of "political correctness" or is child pornography just plain wrong?
The problem is what caused this girl to post lewd pictures of herself to the rest of the world? What was her upbringing like? Her parents?

Why do you whiny people always look to society for the solution every single issue? Things have been steadily been going downhill (and not only in America) ever since parents abrogated their rights as parents to the rest of society....

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This specific case wasn't about passing new laws to make nerdy kids with crappy parents feel empowered to sue other kids who call them "nerds." This case was about a complete and total failure of existing international laws protecting a girl who was, indeed, a victim of a group of severely malicious and sociopathic aggressors. Should her parents have pulled the plug on the internet for her? Yes. Should the person who kept porn of her and circulated it to other minors be punished? Absolutely.
It's not the failure of the laws, it's the failure of the parents to have their focus totally on their children.

Point in fact? How many articles/documentaries have been made concerning "Quality time with your children"????

BS, a parent should be there ALL the time with their children....

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Moreover, back to your lamentations of this intolerably politically correct society being able to hold its own in a fight against a group of close-minded, misogynistic, paleo-conservative aggressors... well, ask Afghanistan how that worked out.
Phhhftt...

Apples to oranges, are you trying to compare a society over 2,000 years old with western society?

Pathetic....
 
Old 10-13-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
I disagree - killing oneself is the easy way out.

Also - circumstances that drive people to consider death by their own hand has not actually become worse.

Choosing life is always best.

I know - I have been where this girl was - different circumstances - but same desire. I can still think back and remember specific instances when I almost "pulled the trigger(term used figuratively because I was pondering other methods) - and I remmember one time where I nearly did it - and if I had followed through, I would not be typing what I am today.

Things have not become worse - but support systems have been eroded, IMO. You need to have a reason to live - and that reason often equates to other people. If your friends and family have essentially ignored you - I can imagine a state where death seems like the best option.

Don't do it.
So you've been where this girl has been and you still claim that suicide is "the easy way out." It's NOT. It's incredibly difficult to fight your biological urge to survive, even if you know that suicide will solve all your problems.

And there are certain circumstances where suicide IS the best option. I would argue it probably wasn't in this particular case, though.

At the end of the day, life is meaningless and unimportant. Suicide is not this evil thing that no one should even think about that you make it out to be.
 
Old 10-13-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by plwhit View Post
Where would humanity be if it stuck it's collective head under a rock in fear every time someone or something occurred?

I'll bet in this situation (5 on 1) you would have peed in your pants in fear and sped away crying:

WARNING: Strong Language


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That is how you handle bullies ....

Mankind did not rise to be the dominant species on this planet by passing laws, it was by fists, swords, bows and arrows and spears....

Societies rose as a dominant power in the world because of their strength, their will to survive no matter what the odds, not their laws....

The same laws of nature still hold true today, the weak-willed and people with no backbone to stand up for themselves disappear off the face of the Earth.....

It's mean, it's cruel but that's how life is, the strong survive, the weak perish....
A gun would have been quicker with these morons, and much less exhausting.
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