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Old 10-19-2012, 10:37 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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No, the State Department didn't do this. President Obama did. Yes, the President did. The "buck" stops at his desk.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Not sure why we give Visas to anyone from the Middle East after 9/11. It should have been one of the first things Bush did.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:43 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Even though the State Department came under fire in 2009 for granting a Visa to the "underwear bomber", it looks like they didn't become any better at vetting the people they give Visas to.....

The NY City Federal Bank terrorist also got a US Visa last year to attend college in the USA studying cyber-security.

This happened even though he'd had contact with Al Qaeda prior to traveling to the USA.

State Department granted New York terror plotter a student visa
Your quote states he was "reportedly in contact with al Qaeda"

You state he "had" contact.

Have anything factual or just blowing some more hyperbolic smoke?
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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If the people have the proper papers, then we allow them entry. Plain and simple. Non-issue.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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If the people have the proper papers, then we allow them entry. Plain and simple. Non-issue.
The 9/11 hijackers had "proper papers." Apparently you consider that a "non-issue." I find your laissez-faire attitude to be beyond contemptible.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Pa
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That what, all immigration and visa's should be denied?
Lets see. VISA's are denied for many reasons.
Low income.
No job.
If you have any arrest in your record at all.
If the interviewer has a bad feeling about you.
So known contact with a known terror org should be a good enough reason.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Pa
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No, the State Department didn't do this. President Obama did. Yes, the President did. The "buck" stops at his desk.
In the end yes it does.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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The 9/11 hijackers had "proper papers."
That they did.

That they showed little signs of being terrorists when coming in doesn't mean our state department is incompenent in letting them in.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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That they did.

That they showed little signs of being terrorists when coming in doesn't mean our state department is incompenent in letting them in.
Our government is incompetent for allowign them to stay after their visas expire. Thousands are roaming the US this very second on expired visas. Nobody cares. You can read all about it here.

http://www.gao.gov/assets/590/589621.pdf

Of the estimated 4-5 million here they investigated 34K and arrested 8 thousand folks. If we can't keep up where these people are then they shouldn't be allowed in the country to begin with. Not to mention what an easy back door this is to gain entry for terrorist attacks which has already been shown. It's basically ridiculous.

"According to CTCEU data, as of October 2010, ICE field offices had closed about 34,700 overstay investigations that CTCEU headquarters assigned to them from fiscal year 2004 through 2010.17 These cases resulted in approximately 8,100 arrests (about 23 percent of the 34,700 investigations), relative to a total estimated overstay population of 4 million to 5.5 million.18 About 26,700 of those investigations (or 77 percent) resulted in one of three outcomes.19 In 9,900 investigations, evidence was uncovered indicating that the suspected overstay had departed the United States. In 8,600 investigations, evidence was uncovered indicating that the subject of the investigation was in-status (e.g., the subject filed a timely application with the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) to change his or her status and/or extend his or her authorized period of admission in the United States). Finally, in 8,200 investigations, CTCEU investigators exhausted all investigative leads and could not locate the suspected overstay"
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Our government is incompetent for allowign them to stay after their visas expire.
That I will agree with.
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